Calzaghe's legacy.

[andykopgod]

How would Joe Calzaghe go down in history when he retires? I hoping he beats Jones to cement it but i'm mainly interested in a Yank perspective. They never seem to give our guys any credit

[Trainer Monkey]

You kidding,I was praying Bruno would beat Tyson.
I dont like Calzeghe for two reasons
He mainly get by on work rate,but if you watch his fights,alot of those shots arent landing clean most of the time. But judges like work rate,and Il;l be the first to say,even if they arent clean power shots,his work rate is great
And the way Warren massaged his career
And even if Im not a fan of his,I know he's going in to the HOF

[Kev]

He'll never get the credit he deserves but if he beats Roy Jones his resume cannot be disputed imo.

To have achived all he's achieved, longest ever super middleweight reign, most ever title defenses, almost the most defenses for any division, completely unbeaten and wins over the two biggest stars of those divisions in Hopkins and Jones of the past 20 years, plus wins over Eubank, Lacy and Kessler make him would make him clearly the greatest British fighter of all time and one of the top 30 or so greatest fighters of all time imo.

If he was American or Mexican he would be regarded as highly as Hopkins, Juan Manuel Marquez or Barrera.

He's beaten every man he's ever faced and completely cleaned house at 168 lbs something no other fighter has done recently in any weight class.

People who criticise him who else has totally dominated a division better than Calzaghe in the past 20 years?

Only Hopkins comes close but he ultimately failed being beat twice by Jermain Taylor.

When Calzaghe faced his own unbeaten number 1 challengers in LAcy and Kessler he whooped their asses.

He's an all time great for sure, although the yanks will likely never accept that.

[Trainer Monkey]

He'll never get the credit he deserves but if he beats Roy Jones his resume cannot be disputed imo.

To have achived all he's achieved, longest ever super middleweight reign, most ever title defenses, almost the most defenses for any division, completely unbeaten and wins over the two biggest stars of those divisions in Hopkins and Jones of the past 20 years, plus wins over Eubank, Lacy and Kessler make him would make him clearly the greatest British fighter of all time and one of the top 30 or so greatest fighters of all time imo.

If he was American or Mexican he would be regarded as highly as Hopkins, Juan Manuel Marquez or Barrera.

He's beaten every man he's ever faced and completely cleaned house at 168 lbs something no other fighter has done recently in any weight class.

People who criticise him who else has totally dominated a division better than Calzaghe in the past 20 years?

Only Hopkins comes close but he ultimately failed being beat twice by Jermain Taylor.

When Calzaghe faced his own unbeaten number 1 challengers in LAcy and Kessler he whooped their asses.

He's an all time great for sure, although the yanks will likely never accept that.

Sorry Bilbo,it has nothing to do with country,a disputed decision against Hopkins,a fight against an injured Kessler,and an over rated Lacy does not make you a great.
That would be like judging Ali's career by what he did to Jerry Quarry,Patterson in 72(not the first fight) and Zora Foley

[Kev]

He'll never get the credit he deserves but if he beats Roy Jones his resume cannot be disputed imo.

To have achived all he's achieved, longest ever super middleweight reign, most ever title defenses, almost the most defenses for any division, completely unbeaten and wins over the two biggest stars of those divisions in Hopkins and Jones of the past 20 years, plus wins over Eubank, Lacy and Kessler make him would make him clearly the greatest British fighter of all time and one of the top 30 or so greatest fighters of all time imo.

If he was American or Mexican he would be regarded as highly as Hopkins, Juan Manuel Marquez or Barrera.

He's beaten every man he's ever faced and completely cleaned house at 168 lbs something no other fighter has done recently in any weight class.

People who criticise him who else has totally dominated a division better than Calzaghe in the past 20 years?

Only Hopkins comes close but he ultimately failed being beat twice by Jermain Taylor.

When Calzaghe faced his own unbeaten number 1 challengers in LAcy and Kessler he whooped their asses.

He's an all time great for sure, although the yanks will likely never accept that.

Sorry Bilbo,it has nothing to do with country,a disputed decision against Hopkins,a fight against an injured Kessler,and an over rated Lacy does not make you a great.
That would be like judging Ali's career by what he did to Jerry Quarry,Patterson in 72(not the first fight) and Zora Foley

Funny how Kessler was injured now and Lacy was overratted

What about Trinidad, he had his ass handed to him by Winky and Roy Jones, he must have been overatted too?

And B Hop has had a bunch of disputed fights. Funny how three close losses to Taylor and Calzaghe can be turned around into wins but a close win can be twisted into almost being a loss?

Calzaghe has beaten everyone put in front of him, more than can be said of Roy Jones, B Hopkins, Pavlik, Taylor and any other great American middleweight.

His resume is unquestionable and a win over Roy will make him a first ballot Hall of Famer imo

[ICB]

He'll never get the credit he deserves but if he beats Roy Jones his resume cannot be disputed imo.

To have achived all he's achieved, longest ever super middleweight reign, most ever title defenses, almost the most defenses for any division, completely unbeaten and wins over the two biggest stars of those divisions in Hopkins and Jones of the past 20 years, plus wins over Eubank, Lacy and Kessler make him would make him clearly the greatest British fighter of all time and one of the top 30 or so greatest fighters of all time imo.

If he was American or Mexican he would be regarded as highly as Hopkins, Juan Manuel Marquez or Barrera.

He's beaten every man he's ever faced and completely cleaned house at 168 lbs something no other fighter has done recently in any weight class.

People who criticise him who else has totally dominated a division better than Calzaghe in the past 20 years?

Only Hopkins comes close but he ultimately failed being beat twice by Jermain Taylor.

When Calzaghe faced his own unbeaten number 1 challengers in LAcy and Kessler he whooped their asses.

He's an all time great for sure, although the yanks will likely never accept that.

Sorry Bilbo,it has nothing to do with country,a disputed decision against Hopkins,a fight against an injured Kessler,and an over rated Lacy does not make you a great.
That would be like judging Ali's career by what he did to Jerry Quarry,Patterson in 72(not the first fight) and Zora Foley

Funny how Kessler was injured now and Lacy was overratted

What about Trinidad, he had his ass handed to him by Winky and Roy Jones, he must have been overatted too?

And B Hop has had a bunch of disputed fights. Funny how three close losses to Taylor and Calzaghe can be turned around into wins but a close win can be twisted into almost being a loss?

Calzaghe has beaten everyone put in front of him, more than can be said of Roy Jones, B Hopkins, Pavlik, Taylor and any other great American middleweight.

His resume is unquestionable and a win over Roy will make him a first ballot Hall of Famer imo

Bilbo comparing a great fighter like Felix Trinidad who had the record, for the most Welterweight title defenses in history is madness. Felix Trinidad defeated great fighters and proved time and time again, he belonged against the best of his era.

Jeff Lacy was struggling with the likes of Omar Sheika, Syd Vanderpool, even before the Joe Calzaghe fight for crying out loud. He only got overhyped because he defeated a shot undertrained Robin Reid, who gave Joe Calzaghe all he could handle back in 1999.

Im not saying i agree with TM i think he is discrediting Joe Calzaghe, just for the sake of discrediting him. But i think what he is saying is that majority of Joe Calzaghe's best wins are all questionable. I'll give you examples of what i mean Bilbo.

Charles Brewer = Just got stopped in 3 rounds by Antwun Echols.

Richie Woodhall = Just lost Markus Beyer, was also dropped 3 times by feather fisted Markus Beyer.

Chris Eubank = Weight drained.

Robin Reid = Just lost to 40+ Thulani Malinga.

etc.

I mean the only really good wins Joe Calzaghe has had with no question marks is Mikkel Kessler, Jeff Lacy, but as i pointed out to you before. previous fights before the Joe Calzaghe fight, proved Jeff Lacy wasn't world class.

And i don't see why that if Joe Calzaghe beats RJJ. That the RJJ win should be hailed as some great win, everyone before this fight considered RJJ. A shot fighter and from his last 2 fights he hasn't really impressed me at all, RJJ does have a chance he still has speed and he is still the bigger man, but come on if this fight was 6 years ago would we be even questioning anything else but a clear cut RJJ win ?

Im not saying its Joe Calzaghe's fault he was in a weak era of the Super Middleweights, but i still think he should of moved up to Light Heavyweight years ago. I remember after the Kabary Salem fight, Joe Calzaghe said he was tight at the weight and struggled to make the Super Middleweight limit.

[Markusdarkus]

He'll never get the credit he deserves but if he beats Roy Jones his resume cannot be disputed imo.

To have achived all he's achieved, longest ever super middleweight reign, most ever title defenses, almost the most defenses for any division, completely unbeaten and wins over the two biggest stars of those divisions in Hopkins and Jones of the past 20 years, plus wins over Eubank, Lacy and Kessler make him would make him clearly the greatest British fighter of all time and one of the top 30 or so greatest fighters of all time imo.

If he was American or Mexican he would be regarded as highly as Hopkins, Juan Manuel Marquez or Barrera.

He's beaten every man he's ever faced and completely cleaned house at 168 lbs something no other fighter has done recently in any weight class.

People who criticise him who else has totally dominated a division better than Calzaghe in the past 20 years?

Only Hopkins comes close but he ultimately failed being beat twice by Jermain Taylor.

When Calzaghe faced his own unbeaten number 1 challengers in LAcy and Kessler he whooped their asses.

He's an all time great for sure, although the yanks will likely never accept that.

Sorry Bilbo,it has nothing to do with country,a disputed decision against Hopkins,a fight against an injured Kessler,and an over rated Lacy does not make you a great.
That would be like judging Ali's career by what he did to Jerry Quarry,Patterson in 72(not the first fight) and Zora Foley

Funny how Kessler was injured now and Lacy was overratted

What about Trinidad, he had his ass handed to him by Winky and Roy Jones, he must have been overatted too?

And B Hop has had a bunch of disputed fights. Funny how three close losses to Taylor and Calzaghe can be turned around into wins but a close win can be twisted into almost being a loss?

Calzaghe has beaten everyone put in front of him, more than can be said of Roy Jones, B Hopkins, Pavlik, Taylor and any other great American middleweight.

His resume is unquestionable and a win over Roy will make him a first ballot Hall of Famer imo

Amen.

[Fenster]

Kessler was injured?

[BIG H]

Kessler was injured?

Amazing innit