Librado Andrade vs Lucian Bute My Thoughts.

[ICB]

I thought Bute fought a good fight but he did clinch way too much, and the ref should have been on his case more for that. But regarding the 12th round i don't think the fight should have been stopped personally.

I thought Bute showed great heart getting up, and i think if it would have been stopped it would of been just as worse and just as controversial as it is now. It would be Julio Cesar Chavez vs Meldrick Taylor all over again. Which i thought was a robbery by the way.

And i don't really see why people are making such a big deal, of the ref telling Andrade to go to the neutral corner. Because even if he wouldn't have, it wouldn't have changed the outcome of the fight because the fight was already over anyway 3 minutes of the round had passed.

And the only reason the fight wasn't stopped sooner was because, a fighter cannot be saved in the final round. But i did think Lucian Bute deserved to win, because of the great heart he showed pulling himself up when he almost had nothing left.

[JohnnyKickAss]

I'm with you there...I guess one can argue that Bute wasn't able to fight back when the ref gave the fight free again and that if the round would have been 30 seconds longer Bute would have been knocked out badly,but it wasn't...But e got up the round had only 2 seconds to go and that is that...I mean how many times did a ref gave the fight free again with a boxer out on his feet...its not that uncommon...

[ICB]

I'm with you there...I guess one can argue that Bute wasn't able to fight back when the ref gave the fight free again and that if the round would have been 30 seconds longer Bute would have been knocked out badly,but it wasn't...But e got up the round had only 2 seconds to go and that is that...I mean how many times did a ref gave the fight free again with a boxer out on his feet...its not that uncommon...

I agree i also think people are going a bit over the top IMO, im not saying there opinions are wrong. I just think because the fight is not long over, there letting there emotions come into play.

Bute had won almost every round before that. He made a mistake wanting to exchange in the last round, he almost payed for it. But he pulled himself up like a champion and won the fight deservedly so IMO.

[CFH]

I was pissed off at the time, probably because I was cheering for Andrade, but the more I think about it, the more I think the same way as you Ice.

[ICB]

I was pissed off at the time, probably because I was cheering for Andrade, but the more I think about it, the more I think the same way as you Ice.

I thought you would be cheering for your fellow Canadian Bute, i guess you like Andrade's exciting style better. But anyway i think what people are making too much of deal over is the ref telling off Andrade, about not being in a neutral corner.

But the fact is it wouldn't have changed the outcome of the fight what so ever, because the time was already up in the round so Andrade wouldn't have got another chance to finish Bute. I just think the ref may of been excited and didn't deal with the situation well, or he could of been trying to help Bute.

But either way it makes no difference because like i said, the time was up in the round. I think the real debate is whether the ref made a good call letting Bute survive the fight. And i think he made a good call IMO, Bute pulled himself up like a true champion at the count of 8 there was no long count.

And Bute was looking at his corner infact he looked twice at his corner, so IMO he was still aware. Although there was no question he was in serious trouble, but i think Bute deserved to win based on winning almost every single round. And also for showing champions heart for pulling himself off the canvas like a true champion, and the ref decided he wanted to let the fight continue and Bute won.

End of IMO the ref telling Andrade to go into the neutral corner is irrelvant, it was all about the ref's decision whether to let Bute to continue nothing else.

[CFH]

I was pissed off at the time, probably because I was cheering for Andrade, but the more I think about it, the more I think the same way as you Ice.

Thought you would be cheering for your fellow Canadian Bute, i guess you like Andrade's exciting style better. But anyway i think what people are making too much of deal over is the ref telling off Andrade, about not being in a neutral corner.

But the fact is it wouldn't have changed the outcome of the fight what so ever, because the time was already up so Andrade wouldn't have got another chance to finish Bute. I just think the ref may of been excited and didn't deal with the situation well, or he who could of been trying to help Bute.

But either way it makes no difference because like i said, the time was up in the round. I think the real debate is whether the ref made a good call letting Bute survive the fight. And i think he made a good call IMO, Bute pulled himself up like a true champion at the count of 8 there was no long count.

And Bute was looking at his corner infact he looked twice at his corner, so IMO he was still aware. Although there was no question he was in serious trouble, but i think Bute deserved to win based on winning almost every single round. He also pulled himself off the canvas like a true champion, and the ref decided he wanted to let the fight continue and Bute won.

End of IMO the ref telling Andrade to go into the neutral corner is irrelvant, it was all about the ref's decision nothing else.

Again I agree totally, many people are overreacting in absurd ways on here IMO.

As I agree with everything else you said, I'll just address your first post. Not that I don't like Bute, but I'm not much of a nationalist when it comes to boxing (except for Molitor). Bute's not Canadian anyways, unless he's been granted citizenship, he's a Romanian who lives in Canada (not that it really matters). I really like Andrade's personality, more than I like his style, which is limited, and I almost always cheer for the underdog as well, which is why I was cheering for Andrade.

[ICB]

What the hell is wrong with some people ? everyone keeps saying how Lucian Bute will get beat by any top Super Middleweight. And he will never travel outside his comfort zone ETC.

Lucian Bute fought a terrific fight against Librado Andrade, and used great upper body movement. Aswell as good moblity and good handspeed to totally outbox Librado Andrade.

I thought he fought an almost perfect fight against Librado Andrade, until the last round when he exchanged punches stupidly. And got caught and was almost stopped, but i think that was a good learning experience for him.

Because that will learn him that you never have the fight in the bag, until all 12 rounds over. And he also had to use his survival instincts and heart/will which he has never had to do his pro career, to win the fight.

Lucian Bute has also fought solid opposition for so early in his career. I just think this hating needs to stop, and im also disappointed certain people calling Canada one of the most biased boxing countries, because of what two fights ? please some people need to seriously grow up.

[Dark Lord Al]

I rate him i think he is pretty good fighter.

[brucelee]

ICB, I guess people are not hating Bute. They hate the referee.

[jangeorg]

ICB, I guess people are not hating Bute. They hate the referee.

Your right,noboby hate Bute,he is a great fighter,but the referee suks

[Youngblood]

Bute clearly was winning the fight, and in a dominating way...feeding Andrade leather for the better part of 11 rounds.

He was 1 round short of the conditioning he needed to win the fight, and got some hometown help which, even though I was rooting for him, admit was disgusting. Also though, don't underestimate his skill. he was a much better, faster and skilled boxer then Andrade was.

Andrade too has admirable qualities. A rock steady chin. An unflinching desire to win, and a never quit mentality. He took a lot of seriously hard, and well-executed shots, again and again.

And as has been stated, people who are hating on Bute because of the results are showing nearly as much bias as the ref. who botched the ending.

Both fighters need to be respected for their performance, and abilities and merits...and Marlon needs a serious talking to.

[jangeorg]

What the hell is wrong with some people ? everyone keeps saying how Lucian Bute will get beat by any top Super Middleweight. And he will never travel outside his comfort zone ETC.

Lucian Bute fought a terrific fight against Librado Andrade, and used great upper body movement. Aswell as good moblity and good handspeed to totally outbox Librado Andrade.

I thought he fought an almost perfect fight against Librado Andrade, until the last round when he exchanged punches stupidly. And got caught and was almost stopped, but i think that was a good learning experience for him.

Because that will learn him that you never have the fight in the bag, until all 12 rounds over. And he also had to use his survival instincts and heart/will which he has never had to do his pro career, to win the fight.

Lucian Bute has also fought solid opposition for so early in his career. I just think this hating needs to stop, and im also disappointed certain people calling Canada one of the most biased boxing countries, because of what two fights ? please some people need to seriously grow up.

So,can you tell me why Marlon Wright has been referee in Bute last five fight(three title fight),he is a Canadian

[ICB]

What the hell is wrong with some people ? everyone keeps saying how Lucian Bute will get beat by any top Super Middleweight. And he will never travel outside his comfort zone ETC.

Lucian Bute fought a terrific fight against Librado Andrade, and used great upper body movement. Aswell as good moblity and good handspeed to totally outbox Librado Andrade.

I thought he fought an almost perfect fight against Librado Andrade, until the last round when he exchanged punches stupidly. And got caught and was almost stopped, but i think that was a good learning experience for him.

Because that will learn him that you never have the fight in the bag, until all 12 rounds over. And he also had to use his survival instincts and heart/will which he has never had to do his pro career, to win the fight.

Lucian Bute has also fought solid opposition for so early in his career. I just think this hating needs to stop, and im also disappointed certain people calling Canada one of the most biased boxing countries, because of what two fights ? please some people need to seriously grow up.

So,can you tell me why Marlon Wright has been referee in Bute last five fight(three title fight),he is a Canadian

I love people who are using this argument, but dismiss the arguement. When Richard Steele had been biased to Don King fighters in the past, when debating Chavez vs Taylor.

[Taeth]

I don't know why, I just don't like him because of the hype he gets, as a Canadian I really like Steve Molitor because his is the complete package, but I am not sold on Bute, and I am definitely not sold on Pascal.

[Pugilistic]

I think Bute is a good fighter but personally i feel he lost.

The ref should have stopped it, Bute was totally out on his feet.