The Word Shot in relation to Jones is used way to loosely

[JT Rock]

so in most opinions Roy was deemed shot after the the Johnson KO.

A shot fighter by the way I understand it as a fighter showing drastic decline in what he once was able to do making it physically impossible to compete at the highest level he once could.

Not being able to pull the trigger

Plodding

Poor reflexes

Horrible stamina

pushing punches

lethargic like handspeed

ETC..

I said it all along, Jones biggest achilles heel since the Tarver and Johnson KO's has been confidence and adjusting to 175 again.. I dont want to get into the factual and scientific toll it takes on your body to slash 25lbs of muscle off your frame in such a short period of time

The point I want to make is between Jones ears, when you are the best boxer in the world everyday for over a decade putting on sublime performances, to one day getting sparked by your nemesis is gonna screw with you MENTALLY. Jones has never been shopworn in his career and besides 2 KO punches hasnt sustained signifigant damage..

This clip illustrates that Jones is still there PHYSICALLY, though he won only a few rounds of the 3rd Tarver fight he still showed all the attributes.. This fight is also frustrating because Jones thru it away by not punching, when he did he dominated.. Roy didnt stop throwing because he was gunshy, but because he didnt have the confidence..

The other part of this clip is to show how Jones can sharpshoot thru Joes very porous defense and his sloppy punches create gaps for Jones.. Also we can see how Jones fights off the ropes with beautiful body shots and sharp uppercuts..

Again Im not advocating Roys chances based on round 5 of this fight but its pretty telling about him not being a shot fighter.. not to mention Jones has incorporated a pretty damn good fundamentally sound defense over the past few years..

Joe is gonna get picked off good if he is pittering Jones on the ropes, I dont think Joe can live with Roy thru a toe to toe with clean exchanges

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GPP9ffqGYHk

[gudnite vienna]

wow, thats vintage Jones...

[Bookkeeper]

wow, thats vintage Jones...

There are alot of over the hill fighters that can come out and give it their all for one round and look like they did in their prime, I have seen Shane Mosley do it a couple of times ( Most notable), it does not mean they are what they once were.

[kingfrnk]

i for one never said jones was SHOT maybe past his best but not SHOT. I still think he can win saturday.

[Kev]

i for one never said jones was SHOT maybe past his best but not SHOT. I still think he can win saturday.

Yay something we agree on.

Certainly Jones is not at his best but he's still a fantastic fighter.

You don't go from being the best in the world to being a bum overnight, unless you get Parkinsons or something at least.

Roy is still a tough test for Joe and has a real chance of winning.

I belive my man Calzaghe will pull out win number 46 though and want him to get credit if/when he does.

[Bookkeeper]

We must have watched a diffrent Tarver- Jones 3 fight because I saw Roy get wobbled at least 4 times in that fight. Three strait fights his chin was checked and it looked very weak, his ability to get hit was also at an all time high, one round of sharp punching means very little considering you have to survive twelve. Joe is going to have at least 70 punches going his direction every round non stop, Roy is not what he used to be, if you want to call that shot or not is simply up too you.

[GAME]

We must have watched a diffrent Tarver- Jones 3 fight because I saw Roy get wobbled at least 4 times in that fight. Three strait fights his chin was checked and it looked very weak, his ability to get hit was also at an all time high, one round of sharp punching means very little considering you have to survive twelve. Joe is going to have at least 70 punches going his direction every round non stop, Roy is not what he used to be, if you want to call that shot or not is simply up too you.

Yeah Jones was stunned particulary in the 11th . He fought back harder than he ever use to in his prime but he was blinking as if fighting through a fog . it was bizzarre. Jones was able to recapture his confidence vs Tito but was only able to do it for a couple rounds vs Tarver . I dont think he will have much more success vs Joe who will stay on him unlike Tarver .

I think that 5th round was sad to watch . An all time great going through teh motions , trying to remember what once came so naturally . I dont need to state the obvious but i will . . . prime for prime Jones kills Tarver and Joe

[Fenster]

Good post JT.

Anyone that is picking Roy in this fight will look a right mug should they start crying "Roy was shot" once Calzaghe has finished duffing him up.

[JohnnyKickAss]

No way that RJJ is shot...After Tarver knocked him out he just sucked in his fight vs Johnson and the third Tarver fight,still...he came back a bit away from the limelight and not against the best opposition,but solid enough...at this stage of his career he won't get any(much) better as we have seen in his last three fights...I doubt it will be enough for Calzaghe,but who knows...

[Bomp]

We'll find out come saturday if he is or not. I agree with JT's points, there is a cazzum of difference between slipping a little and being shot to the extent Ali was against Berbick. Roy did rely on his reflexes for his defence, which are clearly not what they used to be, but his tighter guard and joe's lack of power do give him a good chance for the upset.

[JT Rock]

Good post JT.

Anyone that is picking Roy in this fight will look a right mug should they start crying "Roy was shot" once Calzaghe has finished duffing him up.

I agree, I'll give Joe credit because I believe Roy still has it, were most will say if he fought Roy around the same time Jones beat Woods than it would mean something.. Although I think it would have been more magnificent, I still believe this will be a hard competitive fight for either guy, whoever wins is worthy of all the praise and accolades

[Fenster]

Good post JT.

Anyone that is picking Roy in this fight will look a right mug should they start crying "Roy was shot" once Calzaghe has finished duffing him up.

I agree, I'll give Joe credit because I believe Roy still has it, were most will say if he fought Roy around the same time Jones beat Woods than it would mean something.. Although I think it would have been more magnificent, I still believe this will be a hard competitive fight for either guy, whoever wins is worthy of all the praise and accolades

Well.. i don't really agree with you JT. I think Roy is past his best enough to make the win for Calzaghe almost meaningless. I'm certain that's how it will be viewed.

Hopkins beating Pavlik put the Calzaghe win into perspective. Calzaghe, although past his best too, is still showing tremendous form - at the HIGHEST possible level.

I only see Roy winning by early-ish KO. And see that chance as very very slim.

BUT.. if Roy wins it will be GREAT. What a story. 39-year-old Roy beats the 45-0 supermiddle/lightheavy P4P top three ranked fighter in the world. Legend stuff.

[Trainer Monkey]

Actually he's become all the things you state as a shot fighter.

And you can see how he ended up there,he started buying in to his own hype machine. The rap record was a sign of it coming. Putting together the Ruiz fight was a billboard.
It said to me, he didnt really want to be great anymore,he wanted you to think he was. When the publicity outreaches the desire,your fighter is in serious trouble.
Thankfully for Roy, it happened so late in his career, it really wont affect his legacy much. De La Hoya is sort of the same way, though I think Oscar's done a better job of tainting his legacy then Roy. Mosely is heading there rapidly. Hopkins suprisingly hasnt found that path, but thats why he should quit right now.
All of those guys where gods at some point,but, quit while you still are a god.
Nobody wants to remember Ali/Berbick or Ali/Holmes

[JT Rock]

Actually he's become all the things you state as a shot fighter.

And you can see how he ended up there,he started buying in to his own hype machine. The rap record was a sign of it coming. Putting together the Ruiz fight was a billboard.
It said to me, he didnt really want to be great anymore,he wanted you to think he was. When the publicity outreaches the desire,your fighter is in serious trouble.
Thankfully for Roy, it happened so late in his career, it really wont affect his legacy much. De La Hoya is sort of the same way, though I think Oscar's done a better job of tainting his legacy then Roy. Mosely is heading there rapidly. Hopkins suprisingly hasnt found that path, but thats why he should quit right now.
All of those guys where gods at some point,but, quit while you still are a god.
Nobody wants to remember Ali/Berbick or Ali/Holmes

I dont buy an ounce of that... Roy is physically all there, Ai wasnt by the time Holmes and Berbick

[kingfrnk]

Actually he's become all the things you state as a shot fighter.

And you can see how he ended up there,he started buying in to his own hype machine. The rap record was a sign of it coming. Putting together the Ruiz fight was a billboard.
It said to me, he didnt really want to be great anymore,he wanted you to think he was. When the publicity outreaches the desire,your fighter is in serious trouble.
Thankfully for Roy, it happened so late in his career, it really wont affect his legacy much. De La Hoya is sort of the same way, though I think Oscar's done a better job of tainting his legacy then Roy. Mosely is heading there rapidly. Hopkins suprisingly hasnt found that path, but thats why he should quit right now.
All of those guys where gods at some point,but, quit while you still are a god.
Nobody wants to remember Ali/Berbick or Ali/Holmes

but thats different compared to roy vs joe. Holmes was a beast and Ali knew he didnt have a chance. Roy can still pull of the upset.