De La Hoya v Pac - consequences for the p4p list

[Mark TKO]

This may have been debated before but have been having a few exchanges with Mad Dog and Taansend off site and would be interested to get more views.

So Pac is currently number one. Oscar is not even in the top ten.

If Pac wins then everything remains as is but if he loses what are the consequences for the p4p list ??

I just can't see where De La Hoya can be placed but if he wins you surely have to place him above Pac ?? Ok if its an SD then we may have grounds to slate oscar for struggling agains the little guy and not put him in the list.

But if it's emphatic and he blows him away in early rounds do we all just say big guy v little guy so what ??

Anyhow - if Pac loses even if on points he has to lose p4p No 1 slot for sure IMO.

It's a tough one if he does lose.

For the record I can't see Pac winning - am cringing looking at the notable size difference in the publicity campaign let alone when they get the referee's instructions.

But i hope he does - for the p4p sake and for a Hatton showpiece at wembley

[Taeth]

This may have been debated before but have been having a few exchanges with Mad Dog and Taansend off site and would be interested to get more views.

So Pac is currently number one. Oscar is not even in the top ten.

If Pac wins then everything remains as is but if he loses what are the consequences for the p4p list ??

I just can't see where De La Hoya can be placed but if he wins you surely have to place him above Pac ?? Ok if its an SD then we may have grounds to slate oscar for struggling agains the little guy and not put him in the list.

But if it's emphatic and he blows him away in early rounds do we all just say big guy v little guy so what ??

Anyhow - if Pac loses even if on points he has to lose p4p No 1 slot for sure IMO.

It's a tough one if he does lose.

For the record I can't see Pac winning - am cringing looking at the notable size difference in the publicity campaign let alone when they get the referee's instructions.

But i hope he does - for the p4p sake and for a Hatton showpiece at wembley

I think Pacquiao being number one isn't lost if he loses. I mean he is jumping up 2 weightclasses to fight Oscar De La Hoya, one of the best fighters of the past decade. This is like Roy Jones going up to fight Lennox Lewis. I don't think there is anybody now that Calzaghe has retired that would be deserving of the p4p spot. Pacquiao beat JMM, Cotto just lost, Margarito definitely doesn't deserve it, Hopkins IMO still wouldn't deserve top spot yet, maybe if he beat Dawson.

I am not one who believes that beating somebody places you above them in all cases. I don't think that Margarito should be higher than Cotto on the p4p list, I think Cotto against most opponents is the better fighter, and more likely to win. I don't think that personally Vazquez is better than Marquez, I just think the style matchup wasn't the best for Marquez. I don't think Frazier was better than Ali after their first fight.

In all honesty looking at skill Oscar is still probably in the top 6 p4p. He just hasn't done enough against opponents to prove that of late. I don't see Cotto beating him, or Margarito, or Mosley, and I have him against Williams pretty close. I think he stops Cotto quicker than Margarito did, he hits harder, and he can take Cotto's shots. I saw him outbox Mosley a few years ago, and Mosley has receded far more than Oscar has since that time.

The reason Pacquiao took this fight is because of what it does for his legacy to beat a guy this good, this far above his natural weight. IF he can do it, it shoots him p4p all time above anybody since the Duran, Leonard, Hagler era.

[Bigdog1981]

I dont see this one changing the p4p ratings. If Oscar loses shame on him. if Pac loses, oh well he was was a lot bigger than you. This fight was a bad choice from oscar it will get him little credit for winning, but will prob be his last if he loses. But i can see only one realistic out come, a ko win for oscar.Pac will be carrying 20 extra pounds than he is used to and his body frame is to small for such a a rise so quick. The weight gain will aslo affect his best skills badly, his speed and stamina.

Pac win or lose will still be p4p king in most eyes(not mine, until he beats JMM clearly).

ODLH win and i will ask the question why not someone your own weight in p4p list, there was plenty of options.

[Mark TKO]

If he gets kayoed early he can't still be no 1. Know what you are saying and where you coming from but he just can't be if that happens.


So Joe has retired has he ....

[C-Lo]

I don't think it should affect his P4P standings to lose to someone who has been fighting at 154 for years now. Pac fought at 130 in March! 147 is a catchweight.

But honestly, I think RING rankings will move him down a spot or 2 and probably will move Oscar somewhere in the 8-10 range in the top 10. I just hope for boxing's sake that Manny wins this fight. If Oscar wins, no one gives a sh*t!! If Pac wins, then it opens up the door to even bigger fights and makes it so Oscar will HAVE to retire!

[Taeth]

Pacquiao hasnt been a natural 130 pounder for awhile now, he was coming at 140-144 over the past year or two, and thats a lot of weight for a super featherweight to put on, more than Corrales put on against MAyweather I believe. Pacquiao was having a ton of difficulty making the weight for the last year and halfish. Even at lightweight he came in at 147 which means he is probably naturally around 160 pounds judging by his weight gain. Pacquiao brings certain things that Oscar has never delt with, particularly how Manny moves in and out so quickly, and its quite hard to Manny with any punch either than the right hand consistently which I think Oscar can do, but is his right hand hard enouhg to hurt Pacquiao? He wasn't able to hurt Forbes or Floyd with it, we will see if he can against Manny, because I don't see him landing that left hook a whole lot, I could be wrong ,but watching Manny's fights I see he has been very elusive to the left hook over the past few years.

[the_PRODIGY]

Pacquiao hasnt been a natural 130 pounder for awhile now, he was coming at 140-144 over the past year or two, and thats a lot of weight for a super featherweight to put on, more than Corrales put on against MAyweather I believe. Pacquiao was having a ton of difficulty making the weight for the last year and halfish. Even at lightweight he came in at 147 which means he is probably naturally around 160 pounds judging by his weight gain. Pacquiao brings certain things that Oscar has never delt with, particularly how Manny moves in and out so quickly, and its quite hard to Manny with any punch either than the right hand consistently which I think Oscar can do, but is his right hand hard enouhg to hurt Pacquiao? He wasn't able to hurt Forbes or Floyd with it, we will see if he can against Manny, because I don't see him landing that left hook a whole lot, I could be wrong ,but watching Manny's fights I see he has been very elusive to the left hook over the past few years.

Marquez caught him on their last fight and he was stunned real bad.If that was Oscar he would have been comatosed.

[TitoFan]

This is one of the easiest questions to answer in boxing today.

If DLH wins, he gets zilch... zero... nada. He will have beaten a fighter that started his career at 105 pounds, while conveniently ignoring fighters at his OWN weight. The act of a coward. You look at Pacquiao's pictures as he gets ready for the fight. He looks fat. Hey... I'm a big fan of Manny's. I'll be rooting him on like you won't believe. But facts are facts. The odds are stacked HEAVILY against Manny.

If Manny wins, that's another story. He will have beaten a name fighter wa-a-a-a-ay above his natural fighting weight. He would deserve credit for that. Even if DLH is at the twilight of his career. But I would just as fast pack my bags and head south again. Get back to your normal fighting weight, Manny. Maybe a fight with Hatton would generate a little more of my interest. But get back where you belong, for your own good.

'Nough said.

[James_Teja]

"Win or lost for Pacquiao, he'll still be the no.1 p4p"

-Ricky Hatton

[The Wind]

This may have been debated before but have been having a few exchanges with Mad Dog and Taansend off site and would be interested to get more views.

So Pac is currently number one. Oscar is not even in the top ten.

If Pac wins then everything remains as is but if he loses what are the consequences for the p4p list ??

I just can't see where De La Hoya can be placed but if he wins you surely have to place him above Pac ?? Ok if its an SD then we may have grounds to slate oscar for struggling agains the little guy and not put him in the list.

But if it's emphatic and he blows him away in early rounds do we all just say big guy v little guy so what ??

Anyhow - if Pac loses even if on points he has to lose p4p No 1 slot for sure IMO.

It's a tough one if he does lose.

For the record I can't see Pac winning - am cringing looking at the notable size difference in the publicity campaign let alone when they get the referee's instructions.

But i hope he does - for the p4p sake and for a Hatton showpiece at wembley

If De La Hoya wins nothing changes. He still doesn't deserve to be in the Top Ten P4P list as he has not been active enough and he has lost the major fights of late.

Pacquiao would still remain no 1 P4P becuase of the HUGE challenge that he has taken on.

However, if Pacqiao wins then you have to consider Pacquiao as possibily one of the all-time greats, and I can asure you I don't hand out the all-time great title like sweets in a sweet shop!

[Mark TKO]

Completely agree with the ATG tag if he pulls it off

[GAME]

Barrera reckons this fight discredits the sport of boxing. He reckons Oscar should have fought Margarito. Barreras also the number 1 lightweight contender and says after he beats Campbell he will be Mexicos greatest boxer ever !

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uQSm10_J1BU

[Gandalf]

Barrera reckons this fight discredits the sport of boxing. He reckons Oscar should have fought Margarito. Barreras also the number 1 lightweight contender and says after he beats Campbell he will be Mexicos greatest boxer ever !

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uQSm10_J1BU

Barrera is right. This Pac: Oscar fight is disgusting. Its such a pointless fight and proves nothing beyond the bank balance.

Anyone who pays to watch this is a dick!

[GAME]

Barrera reckons this fight discredits the sport of boxing. He reckons Oscar should have fought Margarito. Barreras also the number 1 lightweight contender and says after he beats Campbell he will be Mexicos greatest boxer ever !

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uQSm10_J1BU

Barrera is right. This Pac: Oscar fight is disgusting. Its such a pointless fight and proves nothing beyond the bank balance.

Anyone who pays to watch this is a dick!

. . . .im buying it!!!

Amir Khans part of the package and we cant miss a khan fight ( incase he gets serioulsy hurt again )

[Moono]

This may have been debated before but have been having a few exchanges with Mad Dog and Taansend off site and would be interested to get more views.

So Pac is currently number one. Oscar is not even in the top ten.

If Pac wins then everything remains as is but if he loses what are the consequences for the p4p list ??

I just can't see where De La Hoya can be placed but if he wins you surely have to place him above Pac ?? Ok if its an SD then we may have grounds to slate oscar for struggling agains the little guy and not put him in the list.

But if it's emphatic and he blows him away in early rounds do we all just say big guy v little guy so what ??

Anyhow - if Pac loses even if on points he has to lose p4p No 1 slot for sure IMO.

It's a tough one if he does lose.

For the record I can't see Pac winning - am cringing looking at the notable size difference in the publicity campaign let alone when they get the referee's instructions.

But i hope he does - for the p4p sake and for a Hatton showpiece at wembley

to be fair pacman should go down maybe 5 spots.

I have him at the 5 spot so he will go down to the 10 spot.