Calzaghe-Hagler?

[porkypara]

Dont remember seeing this one before but who do you think would win?


I know some guys on here will think I am crazy and even thought he is an ATG I think Calzaghe has the stlye to beat Hagler even if he carried his power and speed up to SMW.

[oakleyno1]

gotta be hagler, calzaghe would get into his pride style and stand and trade, and if that happened, end of the night for joe

[porkypara]

gotta be hagler, calzaghe would get into his pride style and stand and trade, and if that happened, end of the night for joe

Calzaghe ajusted his fighting style against Kessler when he was getting caught with to many shots and there is no reason why he would not do then same against Hagler if needed.

Also Hagler was not a devestating 1 punch hitter.Apart from a week chined Tommy Hearns who did Hagler beat early?

[Taeth]

It's presumptious to say Hagler can KO Calzaghe IMO. If he can hurt Calzaghe then I think he has a good shot of winning, but otherwise I see Calzaghe overwhelming him with workrate, and adapting so Hagler finds it harder and harder to hit him.

[Boom Boom]

Calzaghe tends to trde to keep things interesting. Hagler is the wrong guy to trade with. At a catchweight of say 165 Hagler stops him in 10.

[Dark Lord Al]

prime for prime Hagler chews up Calzaghe and says who's next. If Byron Mitchell can floor a prime Calzaghe , the Hagler walks through him.

[JazMerkin]

Hagler all day. If JC got floored by some of the guys he did, than Hagler would have him. The only guy to ever floor Hagler was Roldan who was a well known huge puncher, & even then some people consider it more of a trip. So Joe couldn't drop him, & I think if Hagler put Joe down when he got back up Hagler would make sure he went back down. TBH the only Middleweight or SMW of the last 20 years, that I can see maybe beating a Hagler is a prime B-Hop, because he's so clever in the ring and working out individual opponents.

[ross]

prime for prime Hagler chews up Calzaghe and says who's next. If Byron Mitchell can floor a prime Calzaghe , the Hagler walks through him.

Mitchell was a big puncher at super middle, Hagler wasnt at middle and if Hagler were in the middle weight division today, hed have more sense than to move up and get the piss taken out of him by the bigger, stronger and faster Calzaghe.

Hagler never had the balls to move up before so why now?

All the big names Hagler beat were from Welter

[porkypara]

prime for prime Hagler chews up Calzaghe and says who's next. If Byron Mitchell can floor a prime Calzaghe , the Hagler walks through him.

That is not always the case is it?


A bit like saying the coz A young Muhammad Ali got dropped against Banks and Cooper that Frazer and Forman would chew him up so to speak.


Any fighter if he gets caught right can go down.Its just the great champions get up and fight back and win.

[littlebif]

Calzaghe tends to trde to keep things interesting. Hagler is the wrong guy to trade with. At a catchweight of say 165 Hagler stops him in 10.

Calzaghe hasnt fought below 168 and that is a stuggle so there is now way the fight would have happend below 168.

[ross]

Thats right, Hagler never moved up and never wanted to, he was quite content to fight others who had the balls to move up and as much of a hard fight that Hagler had with Mugabi im sure Joe wouldnt have struggled.

Hagler plodded forward and wore people down, that wouldnt happen with Joe, especially since Joe would be naturally stronger as well.

[Hunter]

I havent seen to many of Hagler's fights but Joe is a heck of a fighter and adapts well and can make changes when needed...

I think Joe has underrated power and would give any fighter in his weight range a run for their money.....

[Stanley Steemer]

Calzaghe is a good fighter for the "modern" times (12 round championships). In fact... I love the guy and root for him always. However, I don't see him in the same ring as the Marvelous Marvin of the late seventies or even the mid eighties. Marvin fought many "big" middleweights in his carreer and obviously handled them well. JC would have needed to come down to 160. There was no negotiations from the Petronelli's to that end and they would have made JC dry out for a same day weigh in. In my opinion Tommy Hearns (at 16 would have gotten to Mr. Joe in eight, nine or ten rounds Roy Jones in his prime just before moving up to light heavy weight would have made him look silly for 12 rounds.
Just my opinion...

[porkypara]

Calzaghe is a good fighter for the "modern" times (12 round championships). In fact... I love the guy and root for him always. However, I don't see him in the same ring as the Marvelous Marvin of the late seventies or even the mid eighties. Marvin fought many "big" middleweights in his carreer and obviously handled them well. JC would have needed to come down to 160. There was no negotiations from the Petronelli's to that end and they would have made JC dry out for a same day weigh in. In my opinion Tommy Hearns (at 16 would have gotten to Mr. Joe in eight, nine or ten rounds Roy Jones in his prime just before moving up to light heavy weight would have made him look silly for 12 rounds.
Just my opinion...

Joe is a great fighter of any time.


Its not easy to stay undefeated for so long.

All fighters slip up now and then,Hagler,Hearnes,Duran all lost fights they were favorates in.


I think Calzaghe is going to be a bit like Lennox Lewis in that a lot of people will realise how good he is when he is gone.

[Mithrandir]

First off, I am a huge Joe Calzaghe fan, but in reading many of the posts, it is clear many of you haven't seen many of Marvin's fights, and certainly didn't see them in the context of their times.
The only time Marvin was knocked downwas against Roldan and it was a slip, with a punch sort of aiding to push Marvin down.
I one wants to argue that Marvin's big wins were only against smaller fighters moving up, it's partially because he cleaned out the division and fought everyone who mattered on the way up while every champ avoided him. He was probably already past his prime when he won the title.
His skills a boxer are also underrated here.
If one wants to argue the opposition Hagler fought, tke away an overrated Jeff Lacy, a faded Chris Eubank, and two fighters well past their primes who both dropped him, in Jones and Hopkins - especially when the Hopkins fight is one many feel he lost ( I thought Calzaghe won easly,) and the only big win left for Calzaghe is Kessler....and who has he beaten?

Personally, I think it's a great fight, and it could go either way. Marvin cut people with his rapier like jab though, and I could see thatbecoming an issue in the fight. The only time Marvin was ever cut to speak of was against Hearns following the headbutt. Once he had the title stolen from him in his first bout with Antuofermo, he resolved to not go to the judegs , for fear the title would be stolen from him again, and considering the scores after twelve against Duran (one of my favorite fighters) and the Leonard decision, he had reason to.
Marvin didn't move up in weight, partially because the move would have been all the way to Light-Heavyweight, as the Super Middleweight Division wasn't created until late in his title reign, or possibly, even after his retirement. That menat the only title to contend for during most of his reign was through Michael Spinks, and the numbers and interest compared with the other fighters moving up toward Hagler made them the far more lucrative and interesting fights.
I'd probably go for Marvin by either late TKO in a fifteen round fight, or by a close battering decision. Of course, Calzaghe's ability to adjust would make the fight very difficult, and her could pull it out.
I'd also pick Marvin in an easy but hard fought decision vs. Hopkins. He had too much power and a much better workrate than Hopkins; If you lay against the ropes vs. Marvin, you would pay, body and soul. Who ever was as good a fighter after they faced him as they were before? He punished you from the ouset until the fight's conclusion.
For the record Marvin was 5'9 1/2 inches, not, certainly a giant, but not exactly Jake Matlala either.