Rank your list of greatest fighters pond for pound

[Alan McDougall]

Hey people

I know this might have been debated before, but how about us trying to rate and rank the five greatest fighters of all time, pound for pound. If interest is shown we can take it future

Here are my first five

1) Sugar Ray Robinson

2) Willie Pep

3) Mohammed Ali

4) Henry Armstrong

5) Joe Luis

wat ya tink?

Alan

[BIG H]

Well I have the same top 4 as you (not same order) My list changes all the time the more I watch, but I my list looks something like this at the moment

1 Sugar Ray Robinson
2 Willie Pepp
3 Henry Armstrong
4 Muhammad Ali
5 Roberto Duran
6 Pernell Whitaker
7 Benny Leonard
8 Jimmy Wilde
9 Roy Jones Jnr
10 Harry Greb

[Kev]

Never seen anything of Pep and Armstrong but are we putting them in the top four for acomplishments or because we actually think they would beat any other fighters in history in their weight classes?

This is where I struggle with all time p4p lists.

I can see Ali and Armstrong giving people from any era trouble at their weight classes whereas for example I see Joe Luis getting slaughtered by prime Tysons, Lennox Lewis, Foreman, the Klitschko's etc.

Duran would be problematic for any lightweight and junior welter in history.

Willie Pep? I don't know anything about him other than he supposedly won a round once without throwing a punch. As boxing was more primitive back then I doubt in reality his defence was better than say Ivan Calderon now so would he really have ruled his weight class against the best of all time?

I don't know.

That's why my own list features fighters I truly believe could have held their own with anybody from any era.


1. Robinson
2. Ali
3. Leonard
4. Duran
5. Hearns

[BIG H]

Never seen anything of Pep and Armstrong but are we putting them in the top four for acomplishments or because we actually think they would beat any other fighters in history in their weight classes?

This is where I struggle with all time p4p lists.

I can see Ali and Armstrong giving people from any era trouble at their weight classes whereas for example I see Joe Luis getting slaughtered by prime Tysons, Lennox Lewis, Foreman, the Klitschko's etc.

Duran would be problematic for any lightweight and junior welter in history.

Willie Pep? I don't know anything about him other than he supposedly won a round once without throwing a punch. As boxing was more primitive back then I doubt in reality his defence was better than say Ivan Calderon now so would he really have ruled his weight class against the best of all time?

I don't know.

That's why my own list features fighters I truly believe could have held their own with anybody from any era.


1. Robinson
2. Ali
3. Leonard
4. Duran
5. Hearns

Mate, you should watch some footage of Pepp. I have all 3 fights with Saddler on VHS lol. His defence is one of the best I have ever seen, probably only Whitaker matches him!

[Kev]

Never seen anything of Pep and Armstrong but are we putting them in the top four for acomplishments or because we actually think they would beat any other fighters in history in their weight classes?

This is where I struggle with all time p4p lists.

I can see Ali and Armstrong giving people from any era trouble at their weight classes whereas for example I see Joe Luis getting slaughtered by prime Tysons, Lennox Lewis, Foreman, the Klitschko's etc.

Duran would be problematic for any lightweight and junior welter in history.

Willie Pep? I don't know anything about him other than he supposedly won a round once without throwing a punch. As boxing was more primitive back then I doubt in reality his defence was better than say Ivan Calderon now so would he really have ruled his weight class against the best of all time?

I don't know.

That's why my own list features fighters I truly believe could have held their own with anybody from any era.


1. Robinson
2. Ali
3. Leonard
4. Duran
5. Hearns

Mate, you should watch some footage of Pepp. I have all 3 fights with Saddler on VHS lol. His defence is one of the best I have ever seen, probably only Whitaker matches him!

I've never seen him, what weight was he, what decade did he fight?

[BIG H]

Never seen anything of Pep and Armstrong but are we putting them in the top four for acomplishments or because we actually think they would beat any other fighters in history in their weight classes?

This is where I struggle with all time p4p lists.

I can see Ali and Armstrong giving people from any era trouble at their weight classes whereas for example I see Joe Luis getting slaughtered by prime Tysons, Lennox Lewis, Foreman, the Klitschko's etc.

Duran would be problematic for any lightweight and junior welter in history.

Willie Pep? I don't know anything about him other than he supposedly won a round once without throwing a punch. As boxing was more primitive back then I doubt in reality his defence was better than say Ivan Calderon now so would he really have ruled his weight class against the best of all time?

I don't know.

That's why my own list features fighters I truly believe could have held their own with anybody from any era.


1. Robinson
2. Ali
3. Leonard
4. Duran
5. Hearns

Mate, you should watch some footage of Pepp. I have all 3 fights with Saddler on VHS lol. His defence is one of the best I have ever seen, probably only Whitaker matches him!

I've never seen him, what weight was he, what decade did he fight?

He was a feather weight (GOAT) in the 40s and 50s

[Jody Lane]

Well I have the same top 4 as you (not same order) My list changes all the time the more I watch, but I my list looks something like this at the moment

1 Sugar Ray Robinson
2 Willie Pepp
3 Henry Armstrong
4 Muhammad Ali
5 Roberto Duran
6 Pernell Whitaker
7 Benny Leonard
8 Jimmy Wilde
9 Roy Jones Jnr
10 Harry Greb

My top eight would be the same people but in a slightly different order. My last two would be:
9. Archie Moore
10. Carlos Monzon