Why not have same fight night weigh ins again?

[generalbulldog]

As we all know the reason with the weight divisions is to keep the fights fair. So why not have same fight night weigh ins and then the boxers go into the ring the same night? Wouldn't this be fair than having one guy balloon up to 20 or 25 pounds to hydrate himself while the other guy can only muster up like 10 pounds?

A clear example is the Clottey-Corrales fight at welterweight a few years back. Corrales came into fight night around mid 150s while Clottey went in around low 170s. Can anyone really tell me that this was a "fair" fight? Or Paul Williams coming into a welterweight fight and then ballooning up to mid 170s for his opponent.

So why is it consider a fair fight when a guy comes in at the weight of a light heavyweight for a welterweight fight?
So what's wrong with having a level playing field? There are now 17 weight classes instead of the original 8. If a guy is struggling to make weight and has to drain himself then move up in a weight division.

Back in the day Sugar Ray Robinson met Jake Lamotta for the Middleweight championship at their same fight weight they were on the scales hours before. Legendary fights and was fair for both sides.

[Kel]

Why would you want to see zombies trying to hit each other? It's dangerous stuff mate and it's a good thing they don't do it anymore IMO

[jamiebhoy]

Why would you want to see zombies trying to hit each other? It's dangerous stuff mate and it's a good thing they don't do it anymore IMO

Agree with Kel on this one, too many chances of a serious injury or another death. Boxing gets a bad rap as it is, I can't imagine if there were some serious incidents how it would keep any positive image.

IMO just too risky.

[generalbulldog]

Why would you want to see zombies trying to hit each other? It's dangerous stuff mate and it's a good thing they don't do it anymore IMO

Then they should fight in another weight class. Another example is Arturo Gatti-Joey Gamache fight at 140 pounds, Gatti on fight night was 160 pounds according to HBO's unofficial scales and Gamache was 142. Is that really a fair fight?

Or how about regulating on how much weight a fighter can fight at by fight night. Let's say it's a lightweight match and a fighter can't be more than 10 pounds over 145 pounds by fight night? When you have one guy outweighing another by 15-20 pounds how fair is that fight?

[No Contest]

It's actually better for fighters health if you ask me. Fighters wouldnt be able to cut down as much weight and would have to fight higher weights that they can make the weight comfortably. To balloon up after weigh in like some of these guys, just shows they were dehydrating themselves which is what leads to the brain injuries.

[generalbulldog]

It's actually better for fighters health if you ask me. Fighters wouldnt be able to cut down as much weight and would have to fight higher weights that they can make the weight comfortably. To balloon up after weigh in like some of these guys, just shows they were dehydrating themselves which is what leads to the brain injuries.

Exactly and in reality it's much safer. Take for example Sugar Shane Mosely walk around weight is 165 or 170 pounds, then train and fight at middleweight then and the guys that fought at middleweight and keeps on ballooning to cruiserweight by fight night should fight at a different weight than they are in. Or someone like Ricky Hatton was 152 at fight night then he should fight at Jr. Middleweight and the guys at Jr. Middleweight that has been dehydrating themselves at Jr. Middleweight should go up to super middle weight or something.

Watching Paul Williams fight at welterweight and then ballooning close to a light heavyweight on fight night makes you go what the fuck?

[Kel]

Why would you want to see zombies trying to hit each other? It's dangerous stuff mate and it's a good thing they don't do it anymore IMO

Then they should fight in another weight class. Another example is Arturo Gatti-Joey Gamache fight at 140 pounds, Gatti on fight night was 160 pounds according to HBO's unofficial scales and Gamache was 142. Is that really a fair fight?

Or how about regulating on how much weight a fighter can fight at by fight night. Let's say it's a lightweight match and a fighter can't be more than 10 pounds over 145 pounds by fight night? When you have one guy outweighing another by 15-20 pounds how fair is that fight?

That would be a better idea than same day weigh-ins

[ono]

Would be much safer.

Before anybody starts with the 'they'd be walking zombies' hear me out.

It takes longer than 24 hours to fully re-hydrate yourself after struggling to make weight. More like 72 hours to be fully re-hydrated. So the 24-30 hour window isn't as safe as it could be anyway.

Having a weigh in on the day of a fight should prevent fighters from trying to boil down to a ridiculous weight in the first place. Oscar certainly wouldn't have boiled down to 145 if he thought he was fighting 6 hours later. The 30 hour window wasn't even long enough for him, plus he made himself ill boiling down to such a ridiculous weight. IMO same day weigh ins would or at least should prevent the fighters from attempting to fight in a weight class that they have clearly outgrown.

Of course it would mean the light-welterweight division would look completely different. It would be made up of different fighters who actually fight at 140, but imo that's how it should be. It would also prevent fighters from having a 10-14lbs weight advantage over their opponent. See Clottey - Judah for example or Clottey - Chico.

The only worry would be cancelling shows on short notice due to fighters not making weight but i'm sure this could be over-come by at least having a competitve undercard or a main feature should the house fighter or his opponent pull out. It would be less likely to happen anyway with the same day weigh in, as fighters would all be in the same boat of fighing in a weight class in which they are comfortable. If a fighter was struggling to make 140 they could quite easily move up to welterweight without having to worry about facing an actual middleweight come fight night.

It'll never happen but it should do imo.

[Jimanuel Boogustus]

Would be much safer.

Before anybody starts with the 'they'd be walking zombies' hear me out.

It takes longer than 24 hours to fully re-hydrate yourself after struggling to make weight. More like 72 hours to be fully re-hydrated. So the 24-30 hour window isn't as safe as it could be anyway.

Having a weigh in on the day of a fight should prevent fighters from trying to boil down to a ridiculous weight in the first place. Oscar certainly wouldn't have boiled down to 145 if he thought he was fighting 6 hours later. The 30 hour window wasn't even long enough for him, plus he made himself ill boiling down to such a ridiculous weight. IMO same day weigh ins would or at least should prevent the fighters from attempting to fight in a weight class that they have clearly outgrown.

Of course it would mean the light-welterweight division would look completely different. It would be made up of different fighters who actually fight at 140, but imo that's how it should be. It would also prevent fighters from having a 10-14lbs weight advantage over their opponent. See Clottey - Judah for example or Clottey - Chico.

The only worry would be cancelling shows on short notice due to fighters not making weight but i'm sure this could be over-come by at least having a competitve undercard or a main feature should the house fighter or his opponent pull out. It would be less likely to happen anyway with the same day weigh in, as fighters would all be in the same boat of fighing in a weight class in which they are comfortable. If a fighter was struggling to make 140 they could quite easily move up to welterweight without having to worry about facing an actual middleweight come fight night.

It'll never happen but it should do imo.

Excellent points.

There would be less reason to worry about cancellations if promoters/ managers/ & boxing boards used the heads and had weights verified/ checked once prior to signing & once prior to the fight night weight-in.

More Weight-In's means more 'Publicity'

[fan johnny]

Why would you want to see zombies trying to hit each other? It's dangerous stuff mate and it's a good thing they don't do it anymore IMO

Because of the 24 hour weigh-in, it gives fighters the opportunity to fight in a weight class he doesn't qualify for. Same day weigh-ins, remove the temptation to use unnatural methods for making weight in a lower weight division. If the arguments of the proponents for the 24 hour weight-ins were actually true, we would have the same system for amateur boxing and Olympic events. In any event the 24 hour weight-ins defeat the purpose of defining a weight class in the interest of fairness and competitive matches.

[Kel]

Why would you want to see zombies trying to hit each other? It's dangerous stuff mate and it's a good thing they don't do it anymore IMO

Because of the 24 hour weigh-in, it gives fighters the opportunity to fight in a weight class he doesn't qualify for. Same day weigh-ins, remove the temptation to use unnatural methods for making weight in a lower weight division. If the arguments of the proponents for the 24 hour weight-ins were actually true, we would have the same system for amateur boxing and Olympic events. In any event the 24 hour weight-ins defeat the purpose of defining a weight class in the interest of fairness and competitive matches.

Yeah I see what you mean about the weight advantage but a recent example of a fighter NOT gaining a weight advantage is ODLH. He made the weight of 147 with a couple of pounds to spare and on fight night was still under the 147 limit and we saw what good it did him, he was just awful.

[Lance Uppercut]

The real reason for the weigh in a day before the fight is for publicity. It helps sell tickets/PPVs, so I don't think we will being seeing it go anytime soon.


However, I agree that same day weighins would force fighters to fight at their natural weight.

[The Fightfan]

The real reason for the weigh in a day before the fight is for publicity. It helps sell tickets/PPVs, so I don't think we will being seeing it go anytime soon.


However, I agree that same day weighins would force fighters to fight at their natural weight.

I am in total agreement with this statement. It has nothing to do with hydration well maybe a little but mainly do to money. Amatuer fighter's are known to go on the scale and sometimes fight 10 mins later if your the first match-up. I do think there should be a hydration limit. I am 230 now if I sweat me ass of and dehydrate down to like 215 like I have done I can not see myself putting on 15lbs in 24 hours. Which bring's me to my next question how do they put this much weight on in such limited time? Kind of odd to think someone ate 15 pounds + of food in a 24 hour time period.

[ono]

Why would you want to see zombies trying to hit each other? It's dangerous stuff mate and it's a good thing they don't do it anymore IMO

Because of the 24 hour weigh-in, it gives fighters the opportunity to fight in a weight class he doesn't qualify for. Same day weigh-ins, remove the temptation to use unnatural methods for making weight in a lower weight division. If the arguments of the proponents for the 24 hour weight-ins were actually true, we would have the same system for amateur boxing and Olympic events. In any event the 24 hour weight-ins defeat the purpose of defining a weight class in the interest of fairness and competitive matches.

Yeah I see what you mean about the weight advantage but a recent example of a fighter NOT gaining a weight advantage is ODLH. He made the weight of 147 with a couple of pounds to spare and on fight night was still under the 147 limit and we saw what good it did him, he was just awful.

The thing with Oscar was he had to use an IV Drip to rehydrate himself. IV drips are used to treat people who cannot rehydrate orally. You have to ask yourself why he couldn't rehydrate orally. Maybe making a weight that he hadn't come close to maing for a good few years had a big say in it.

[fan johnny]

Because of the 24 hour weigh-in, it gives fighters the opportunity to fight in a weight class he doesn't qualify for. Same day weigh-ins, remove the temptation to use unnatural methods for making weight in a lower weight division. If the arguments of the proponents for the 24 hour weight-ins were actually true, we would have the same system for amateur boxing and Olympic events. In any event the 24 hour weight-ins defeat the purpose of defining a weight class in the interest of fairness and competitive matches.

Yeah I see what you mean about the weight advantage but a recent example of a fighter NOT gaining a weight advantage is ODLH. He made the weight of 147 with a couple of pounds to spare and on fight night was still under the 147 limit and we saw what good it did him, he was just awful.

The thing with Oscar was he had to use an IV Drip to rehydrate himself. IV drips are used to treat people who cannot rehydrate orally. You have to ask yourself why he couldn't rehydrate orally. Maybe making a weight that he hadn't come close to maing for a good few years had a big say in it.

Yea everyone heard that comment of Roach, but what has got me curious about the IV. On 24/7, they were saying his weight was already ~147, I couldn't understand why he would need to rehydrate, if he already made weight naturally (Deer & Kangaroo meat and the like diet). Were they just faking us out as part of the show (an the Pacquiao camp)? That would make sense if they were.