Lets get something straight!

[Julius Rain]

Are people not aware of weight range a title can be fought for? for example: the welterweight title (not the junior welterweight title) can be on the line between the weighs of 141 - 147! Fighters usually cut weigh on point to the maximum limit, in welterweights they prefer to weigh at 147 but weight down to 141 is acceptable. Fighters go for the maximum limit in hope for advantage, rarely fighters will try to weigh less than the maximum limit because of the common belief the heavier you are the stronger you are.

What is all the fuss about pacs catchweight deal? for mosley or cotto? It would be pac first catchweight fight and its not like his a real welterweight. He has fought onces at 135, 140, 147 and it aint like his recent fight was at 147. if he had grown to 147 then a catchweigh wouldnt make sense. But this guy has NOT and cotto or mosley has! I think the catchweight deal is to make the fight more equal and its insane how cotto is an underdog against pac?

Seriously, a year ago anybody that thought pac could fight cotto got laughed at. Now it seems like people are afraid to see pac fight cotto because they know his capable of winning another title from a real champ.

The catchweight deal is basically asking both fighters not to max out on the weight limit. People are saying its unfair to pacs oppenent he has to ask for a catchweight seriously unfair to pacs bigger oppenent!? Maxing out the weight limit is plain as day reaching for advantage. A catchweight is a fair deal between both fighters. Respect it people

[Taeth]

I didn't know you could make a catch weight below the limit, but it makes sense, and I don't know why people make such a big fuss about Manny fighting one of them at 144-145. As for Oscar, I hope people realize that Oscar was going to fight Floyd at 147 before he retired.

[Gandalf]

I just don't see the point. The weight classes exist, so why not just follow what exists instead of trying to find loopholes around them. Pac is at 140, Cotto is at 147. If Manny cannot deal with 147 then he should stick it out at 140. It's a simple logic.

[Bomp]

Personally Im not overly bothered about the catchweight stuff. But, getting Cotto down to 145 will only put an unnecessary asterisk next to any Pac victory, whereas I don't think they need that stipulation to make the fight winnable.

[JazMerkin]

Your right you can weigh in anything between 140 & 147, however, that's how it should remain. You should not be able to win the title if you do not beat the guy with the weightclass maximum being in effect, I see it the same as someone weighing in over the limit. If they fight at catchweight, the title should not be up for grabs. & as for Oscar fighting Floyd at 147, yes that was going to happen, but Floyd had fought Oscar with effectively everything against him & beaten him so had earnt the right to dictate terms in a rematch, but if that fight had gone ahead I would have considered it an absolute joke because the 1st fight hadn't been deserving of a rematch

[kingfrnk]

I just don't see the point. The weight classes exist, so why not just follow what exists instead of trying to find loopholes around them. Pac is at 140, Cotto is at 147. If Manny cannot deal with 147 then he should stick it out at 140. It's a simple logic.

i was thinking the same

[fan johnny]

I just don't see the point. The weight classes exist, so why not just follow what exists instead of trying to find loopholes around them. Pac is at 140, Cotto is at 147. If Manny cannot deal with 147 then he should stick it out at 140. It's a simple logic.

The loop hole is the 24 weigh-in before the fight allowing fighters to gain weight over the limit.

[generalbulldog]

And the reason why I brought up Hatton was because his fans were saying he was not the same after the Kostya fight being less punch resistance than before, therefore implying he was getting close to shot, hence why Floyd and Pacman beat him.

The same excuse if Pacman were to fight Cotto at 147 and if Pacman beats him the excuse will be Cotto was shot or close to being shot after Margarito, that will be the excuse.

[ElTerribleMorales]

And the reason why I brought up Hatton was because his fans were saying he was not the same after the Kostya fight being less punch resistance than before, therefore implying he was getting close to shot, hence why Floyd and Pacman beat him.

The same excuse if Pacman were to fight Cotto at 147 and if Pacman beats him the excuse will be Cotto was shot or close to being shot after Margarito, that will be the excuse.

you're really starting to wear it really thin dude, if anyone was to make excuses it would be the king of excuses, Pacquiao himself, the guy blamed his draw to Marquez on his fucking socks for godsake, i can see it now, if Cotto wins all the Pac fans would be, it was cause Miguel was just too naturally big for him

[JazMerkin]

I just don't see the point. The weight classes exist, so why not just follow what exists instead of trying to find loopholes around them. Pac is at 140, Cotto is at 147. If Manny cannot deal with 147 then he should stick it out at 140. It's a simple logic.

The loop hole is the 24 weigh-in before the fight allowing fighters to gain weight over the limit.

It's also a loop-hole that Pac was exploiting at the lower weights, so its not like he's a lonely victim of the 24 hour weigh in. The thing is Pac can probably beat Cotto at 147 so why not fight him there. I agree the weigh ins are bad, especially when you see a fighter weighin about 15-20lbs more than his opponents such as in the ODLH-PBF or Cotto-Jennings fights.

[generalbulldog]

And this is a reason why I am a proponent of going back to fight night weigh ins so guys will be forced to fight at their natural weight. I think Pacman has been coming into the fight at 148 starting back to his days as a Jr. lightweight, but of course he's not the only one to exploit this. Clottey came in at 171 in his welterweight fight against Diego Corrales.

[Julius Rain]

I just don't see the point. The weight classes exist, so why not just follow what exists instead of trying to find loopholes around them. Pac is at 140, Cotto is at 147. If Manny cannot deal with 147 then he should stick it out at 140. It's a simple logic.

miles do you know cotto wants the fight too? are you guys forgetting that two fighters are agreeing to a catchweight? Yes pac is at 140 and cotto is at 147, why do you think a catchweight is being negotiated

If cotto didnt want the fight i assure you pac would rather stay at 140, same goes with mosley and floyd. Pac is risking to fight above 140 for the big name tough fighters, and he shouldn't be allowed to negotiate a catchweight? Like i said if these bigger fighters didnt want to fight pac, pac wouldn't go above 140.

I thought you guys aren't crediting pacs win over dela hoya at 147, so why do some of you raise your standard of pac. fighting cotto or mosley at 147 is fair? Seriously are you guys forgetting how hard you laughed at anybody that mentioned pac possibly fighting anybody above 140, now the bar has been raise and pac shouldnt have a catchweight above 140 cause he'll clearly have the advantage over any welterweight

[Dr. Steelhammer]

Freddie Roach is obviously always seeking for the best interest for his fighters. At below 147, Pac clearly has all sorts of advantage.

[Howlin Mad Missy]

Are people not aware of weight range a title can be fought for? for example: the welterweight title (not the junior welterweight title) can be on the line between the weighs of 141 - 147! Fighters usually cut weigh on point to the maximum limit, in welterweights they prefer to weigh at 147 but weight down to 141 is acceptable. Fighters go for the maximum limit in hope for advantage, rarely fighters will try to weigh less than the maximum limit because of the common belief the heavier you are the stronger you are.

What is all the fuss about pacs catchweight deal? for mosley or cotto? It would be pac first catchweight fight and its not like his a real welterweight. He has fought onces at 135, 140, 147 and it aint like his recent fight was at 147. if he had grown to 147 then a catchweigh wouldnt make sense. But this guy has NOT and cotto or mosley has! I think the catchweight deal is to make the fight more equal and its insane how cotto is an underdog against pac?

Seriously, a year ago anybody that thought pac could fight cotto got laughed at. Now it seems like people are afraid to see pac fight cotto because they know his capable of winning another title from a real champ.

The catchweight deal is basically asking both fighters not to max out on the weight limit. People are saying its unfair to pacs oppenent he has to ask for a catchweight seriously unfair to pacs bigger oppenent!? Maxing out the weight limit is plain as day reaching for advantage. A catchweight is a fair deal between both fighters. Respect it people

so why go looking for them? Esp. when there are rumours about those particular fighter working real hard to hit the maximum weight, unless you think you are trying to catch a soft title/payday.

If boxers come in to these fights light then we expect them to be looking to gain a speed advantage.

People are picking Pac over Cotto (but not Mosely) based on their last fights repectively.

Pac took out a chin up no plan Hatton, Mosely looked reborn against a static Margarito, Cotto had the toughest fight of the three, not because he is the worst of the bunch but because the man opposite him was good, plenty of people picked Berto to win.

A catchweight is fair if both fighters can comfortably make that weight.


It's bad enough they split the orignal weight divisions, now the current crop isn't good enough (for some) they want to split it up even more?

[OumaFan]

I'd prefer it just be 147 even though Pacquaio would probably weigh no more than 142 or so just because making it a catchweight gives a built in excuse for people that want to whine if Manny wins.

I personally don't think 145 is ridiculous as Cotto said from the beginning that he would fight Manny but at no lower than 145. But still I'd rather just see it be a 147 fight, then it will be just that Cotto was shot, not shot and weight drained. Now who's whining? Me, that's who.