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    Default Ruben 'Hurricane' Carter

    Anyone have any opinions about this guy? There's a lot of information about this on the net. There's a lot of people who think he did it, despite what Bob Dylan, who really played fast and loose with the facts, and others have said. And these people ain't all racists. Myself, any kind of research I have done on the subject has only, if anything, increased my belief that he might actually have done it, although I really can't say for sure of course. But I don't think it's really all that obvious that he was framed.

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    Eh....it's not going to be the first time or the last time something like that happens.

    I really don't have an opinion on him one way or the other. Nice touch though with the "not all of them are racists" ...it's sad that has to be a qualifier, just because someone sees something different than the politically correct way it's not always because of racism, ignorance, or bigotry. Interesting topic too

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lyle View Post
    Eh....it's not going to be the first time or the last time something like that happens.

    I really don't have an opinion on him one way or the other. Nice touch though with the "not all of them are racists" ...it's sad that has to be a qualifier, just because someone sees something different than the politically correct way it's not always because of racism, ignorance, or bigotry. Interesting topic too
    For the longest time, I just took it for granted that he was railroaded, but when I actually looked into things and listened to both sides of the story, I started to have my doubts. I ain't saying he did it, but it's possible.

    As for the racism part, well that seems to be a central theme to the whole sorry saga. That what happened to Carter would not have happened to a white man. Or he was convicted by an all white jury cause he was black. That may be true, these things have happened, but it ain't so obvious in this case. I know when I tried to question his innocence in another forum, I was flat out called a racist.
    Last edited by CGM; 06-28-2009 at 02:31 PM.

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    Yes he did the whole film was a lie, even the racist cop didn't even exist.

    Rubin "Hurricane" Carter: The Other Side of the Story

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    Quote Originally Posted by CGM View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Lyle View Post
    Eh....it's not going to be the first time or the last time something like that happens.

    I really don't have an opinion on him one way or the other. Nice touch though with the "not all of them are racists" ...it's sad that has to be a qualifier, just because someone sees something different than the politically correct way it's not always because of racism, ignorance, or bigotry. Interesting topic too
    For the longest time, I just took it for granted that he was railroaded, but when I actually looked into things and listened to both sides of the story, I started to have my doubts. I ain't saying he did it, but it's possible.

    As for the racism part, well that seems to be a central theme to the whole sorry saga. That what happened to Carter would not have happened to a white man. Or he was convicted by an all white jury cause he was black. That may be true, these things have happened, but it ain't so obvious in this case. I know when I tried to question his innocence in another forum, I was flat out called a racist.
    Well, that's just stupid, I'm half-black, but it's clear that there's more to the case than portrayed in the film, so anyone calling you a racist is just a straight up retard. However, I've read the site ICB posted before, & it does strike me as one of those sites that does try to push an agenda a bit. I'm not saying there's no way he did it, however, his prior history with the police as a child didn't help him, & to say that there wasn't heavy racism within the police forces (as that site suggests) is just foolish. The proof used to convict him was not particularly solid and the police should have done more to ensure that if he was guilty they didn't try and find an 'easy' way of getting him convicted because if he was innocent there was a gross miscarriage of justice and if he was guilty their laziness & unprofessionalism allowed a killer to go free

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    Quote Originally Posted by JazMerkin View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by CGM View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Lyle View Post
    Eh....it's not going to be the first time or the last time something like that happens.

    I really don't have an opinion on him one way or the other. Nice touch though with the "not all of them are racists" ...it's sad that has to be a qualifier, just because someone sees something different than the politically correct way it's not always because of racism, ignorance, or bigotry. Interesting topic too
    For the longest time, I just took it for granted that he was railroaded, but when I actually looked into things and listened to both sides of the story, I started to have my doubts. I ain't saying he did it, but it's possible.

    As for the racism part, well that seems to be a central theme to the whole sorry saga. That what happened to Carter would not have happened to a white man. Or he was convicted by an all white jury cause he was black. That may be true, these things have happened, but it ain't so obvious in this case. I know when I tried to question his innocence in another forum, I was flat out called a racist.
    Well, that's just stupid, I'm half-black, but it's clear that there's more to the case than portrayed in the film, so anyone calling you a racist is just a straight up retard. However, I've read the site ICB posted before, & it does strike me as one of those sites that does try to push an agenda a bit. I'm not saying there's no way he did it, however, his prior history with the police as a child didn't help him, & to say that there wasn't heavy racism within the police forces (as that site suggests) is just foolish. The proof used to convict him was not particularly solid and the police should have done more to ensure that if he was guilty they didn't try and find an 'easy' way of getting him convicted because if he was innocent there was a gross miscarriage of justice and if he was guilty their laziness & unprofessionalism allowed a killer to go free
    I can live with most of what you say. Yeah, I read ICB's link a while back and they seemed maybe a little biased, but they made some good points, and it got me interested in looking at other sites. There are a few Law School websites that take a critical look at this case, and the Simpson case also, which kind of shows a flip side of the coin.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CGM View Post
    I know when I tried to question his innocence in another forum, I was flat out called a racist.
    That's no fun...I get called racist for nonracist remarks....I got called racist for saying Manny Ramirez smoked pot. Fucking ridiculous....some people just shut down their brains when some different idea comes along and it's very good to debate such issues and try to find the actual facts. Look at when I said "The Civil War wasn't about slavery" everyone got all up in arms about it.

    I haven't researched any of the actual case with Ruben so I can't really comment but I am interested in what actually went on as opposed to what happened in the movie

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lyle View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by CGM View Post
    I know when I tried to question his innocence in another forum, I was flat out called a racist.
    That's no fun...I get called racist for nonracist remarks....I got called racist for saying Manny Ramirez smoked pot. Fucking ridiculous....some people just shut down their brains when some different idea comes along and it's very good to debate such issues and try to find the actual facts. Look at when I said "The Civil War wasn't about slavery" everyone got all up in arms about it.

    I haven't researched any of the actual case with Ruben so I can't really comment but I am interested in what actually went on as opposed to what happened in the movie
    I hear you. I don't really have a problem with someone calling the jurors, or the cops racist, That may or may not be true. But I do have an issue with people calling my opinions as an onlooker racists. My usual response to being called a racist in situations like this, and the Simpson case, is, "ok dude, I'll admit to saying he's guilty cause he's black/white/green if you admit to saying he's innocent cause he's black/white/green".

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    Default Re: Ruben 'Hurricane' Carter

    Everyone posting in this thread is a racist.

    I have to admit, I don't really know much about Carter outside of the Dylan song. I saw bits of the movie, but I never bothered to watch the whole thing. It was certainly a racially charged period of time.

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