Oh no call the boxing police we've got another catchweight!

[Kev]

BOXINGTALK

According to Nacho Beristein the Marquez Mayweather fight is happening at 143 with Mayweather being fined $300,000 for every pound he is over.

I'm not sure how Floyd will possibly be able to compete being this drained and I hope there is no honour in the victory for Marquez when he predictably wins due to Mayweather's dehydrated state.

Marquez is just a coward, move up to 147 and face the best if you can, don't drag them down to you.

Come on people, show your outrage here.

[Majesty]

Mayweather's not a true welterweight anyway. Not that big a deal. If it was Mosley or Cotto I could see your point, but Mayweather is the smallest "welterweight" in the division. So I have no issue with that

[The Congressman]

Lol Bilbo. Some real thick sarcasm there. Is Marquez gonna get crucified too for asking a 143 bout against a guy who fought at middleweight? Hmm.. this is really interesting thread.

[The Congressman]

Btw, Pac-Cotto is not confirmed if it's for title fight yet. I got the Mayweather-Marquez 50/50 if it's really gonna be held at 143. It's a great marketing strategy by GBP. The fight will sell now.

[ICB]

Lol Bilbo. Some real thick sarcasm there. Is Marquez gonna get crucified too for asking a 143 bout against a guy who fought at middleweight? Hmm.. this is really interesting thread.

A guy that fought at Middleweight ? i think you mean Jr Middleweight, and Floyd Mayweather Jr still couldn't make the limit. Which is why he was only 150 pounds.

Floyd Mayweather Jr is a small Welterweight, much smaller than guys like Miguel Cotto. Who i wouldn't be suprised could walk around at 160 or close to it.

Which is why Miguel Cotto was weight drained at Jr Welterweight, because he was even getting stunned, by fighters like Paul Malignaggi for crying out loud. Ever since he's moved up he's looked so much more durable and stronger, that's not even comparable to Floyd Mayweather Jr.

[Kev]

Lol Bilbo. Some real thick sarcasm there. Is Marquez gonna get crucified too for asking a 143 bout against a guy who fought at middleweight? Hmm.. this is really interesting thread.

A guy that fought at Middleweight ? i think you mean Jr Middleweight, and Floyd Mayweather Jr still couldn't make the limit. Which is why he was only 150 pounds.

Floyd Mayweather Jr is a small Welterweight, much smaller than guys like Miguel Cotto. Who i wouldn't be suprised could walk around at 160 or close to it.

Which is why Miguel Cotto was weight drained at Jr Welterweight, because he was even getting stunned, by fighters like Paul Malignaggi for crying out loud. Ever since he's moved up he's looked so much more durable and stronger, that's not even comparable to Floyd Mayweather Jr.

How exactly? Since moving up he's been ktfo by Margarito, was backpeddling furiously in the later rounds against Shane Mosely and was in all kinds of trouble against Joshua Clottey.

This 'he was so much more vulnurable at 140' assumption is totally unconvincing.

It's so annoying people just claim a statement as fact and then keep repeating it as if that makes it so.

Cotto was never knocked out at 140 lbs so the idea that he was more vulnurable there is a long way from being proven.

It basically follows a single fight, the Malignaggi bout, but Paulie fought out of his skin that night and maybe Cotto wasn't 100% for reasons other than being too big at the weight. He's only 5 ft 7 and hardly built like a brick wall.

[ICB]

Lol Bilbo. Some real thick sarcasm there. Is Marquez gonna get crucified too for asking a 143 bout against a guy who fought at middleweight? Hmm.. this is really interesting thread.

A guy that fought at Middleweight ? i think you mean Jr Middleweight, and Floyd Mayweather Jr still couldn't make the limit. Which is why he was only 150 pounds.

Floyd Mayweather Jr is a small Welterweight, much smaller than guys like Miguel Cotto. Who i wouldn't be suprised could walk around at 160 or close to it.

Which is why Miguel Cotto was weight drained at Jr Welterweight, because he was even getting stunned, by fighters like Paul Malignaggi for crying out loud. Ever since he's moved up he's looked so much more durable and stronger, that's not even comparable to Floyd Mayweather Jr.

How exactly? Since moving up he's been ktfo by Margarito, was backpeddling furiously in the later rounds against Shane Mosely and was in all kinds of trouble against Joshua Clottey.

This 'he was so much more vulnurable at 140' assumption is totally unconvincing.

It's so annoying people just claim a statement as fact and then keep repeating it as if that makes it so.

Cotto was never knocked out at 140 lbs so the idea that he was more vulnurable there is a long way from being proven.

It basically follows a single fight, the Malignaggi bout, but Paulie fought out of his skin that night and maybe Cotto wasn't 100% for reasons other than being too big at the weight. He's only 5 ft 7 and hardly built like a brick wall.

Bilbo im not actually sure believing, all of what your saying. I know this is just a sarcastic thread but again im not sure how much your being serious, but all i know is that Miguel Cotto was getting rocked all over the place by DeMarcus Corley, Ricardo Torres, Paul Malignaggi, and he was hurt by Lovemore N'dou.

As soon as he moved up he looked stronger, and if your actually going to tell me. He didn't just because you want to defend Manny Pacquiao, then your just being another Xadu.

If the Jr Welterweight version of Miguel Cotto, would of fought Shane Mosley, Zab Judah. He would of been put down or KO'ed by atleast one of them.

Infact i remember at the time he first moved up, and fought Carlos Quintana, and he never looked better. And he looked so much more solid and stronger.

Come on Bilbo your really counting the loss to Antonio Margarito ? when theres strong evidence to prove Antonio Margarito was using loaded gloves ?

Joshua Clottey is a big Welterweight i thought he's been as high as 170 ? and considering most people considered it to be a tough fight, before the fight i don't really see your argument here.

And i thought he was just cruising against Shane Mosley in the later rounds, because he knew he had a points lead and he was just. Protecting his lead.

Again im not really sure what your trying to prove here, people have been saying Miguel Cotto was drained at 140, long before a fight with Manny Pacquiao was announced.

So its not like people are using it as an excuse, just because he's fighting Manny Pacquiao. Again i see your argument about Manny Pacquiao, moving through so many weightclasses.

But again Bilbo you also have to realize he was like 16 or 17, when he started pro boxing. And in 14 years or so, putting on 30+ pounds is normal. Especially with all the help he's got with dietitians, trainers, ETC.

I was able to put on quite alot of muscle mass, in only a few short years. Obviously i put it on easier because im naturally alot bigger than Manny Pacquiao, at 6'1. And i was skinny for my height at 140+ pounds.

But my point i was able to get up to low 180+ pounds, and i've lost a few pounds now and im at my peak weight-wise. So a teenager Manny Pacquiao in a span of 14 years being able to put on 30+ pounds, and still be healthy is pretty normal IMO.

So it isn't quite as unreal as you think it is, yes what he's accomplished is great but you understand what im saying i hope. Floyd Mayweather when he was a teenager was only a Featherweight, and he started his pro career at Super Featherweight.

And with his frame it's pretty obvious he isn't a big Welterweight, and that proves my point when he couldn't even make the Jr Middleweight limit. So him moving down in weight will not effect him as much as it will Miguel Cotto.

[JonnyFolds]

Lol Bilbo. Some real thick sarcasm there. Is Marquez gonna get crucified too for asking a 143 bout against a guy who fought at middleweight? Hmm.. this is really interesting thread.

A guy that fought at Middleweight ? i think you mean Jr Middleweight, and Floyd Mayweather Jr still couldn't make the limit. Which is why he was only 150 pounds.

Floyd Mayweather Jr is a small Welterweight, much smaller than guys like Miguel Cotto. Who i wouldn't be suprised could walk around at 160 or close to it.

Which is why Miguel Cotto was weight drained at Jr Welterweight, because he was even getting stunned, by fighters like Paul Malignaggi for crying out loud. Ever since he's moved up he's looked so much more durable and stronger, that's not even comparable to Floyd Mayweather Jr.

How exactly? Since moving up he's been ktfo by Margarito, was backpeddling furiously in the later rounds against Shane Mosely and was in all kinds of trouble against Joshua Clottey.

This 'he was so much more vulnurable at 140' assumption is totally unconvincing.

It's so annoying people just claim a statement as fact and then keep repeating it as if that makes it so.

Cotto was never knocked out at 140 lbs so the idea that he was more vulnurable there is a long way from being proven.

It basically follows a single fight, the Malignaggi bout, but Paulie fought out of his skin that night and maybe Cotto wasn't 100% for reasons other than being too big at the weight. He's only 5 ft 7 and hardly built like a brick wall.

Sure Cotto was rocked at Jr Welter!!! See Torres & Malanaggi.
What fights were you watching? He barely made it out of round3 against Torres!

He started packing on muscles and filled out and moved up. He was not as cut as he is not when he was 22 years old. He's obv grown

Cotto gets rocked all the time. But he wins. So no one can put his lights out without loaded gloves.

[amat]

Lol Bilbo. Some real thick sarcasm there. Is Marquez gonna get crucified too for asking a 143 bout against a guy who fought at middleweight? Hmm.. this is really interesting thread.

A guy that fought at Middleweight ? i think you mean Jr Middleweight, and Floyd Mayweather Jr still couldn't make the limit. Which is why he was only 150 pounds.

Floyd Mayweather Jr is a small Welterweight, much smaller than guys like Miguel Cotto. Who i wouldn't be suprised could walk around at 160 or close to it.

Which is why Miguel Cotto was weight drained at Jr Welterweight, because he was even getting stunned, by fighters like Paul Malignaggi for crying out loud. Ever since he's moved up he's looked so much more durable and stronger, that's not even comparable to Floyd Mayweather Jr.

How exactly? Since moving up he's been ktfo by Margarito, was backpeddling furiously in the later rounds against Shane Mosely and was in all kinds of trouble against Joshua Clottey.

This 'he was so much more vulnurable at 140' assumption is totally unconvincing.

It's so annoying people just claim a statement as fact and then keep repeating it as if that makes it so.

Cotto was never knocked out at 140 lbs so the idea that he was more vulnurable there is a long way from being proven.

It basically follows a single fight, the Malignaggi bout, but Paulie fought out of his skin that night and maybe Cotto wasn't 100% for reasons other than being too big at the weight. He's only 5 ft 7 and hardly built like a brick wall.

Bilbo I hope you don't actually believe this. If you do you are just being ignorant. You obviously haven't been watching through his career like most here have, either that or you just have your own revisionist history deal going because it's abundantly clear that he was in fact more venerable at 140.

His struggles to make 140 have been documented since he first started boxing out of the Olympics. No one expected him to stay at 140 for so long, it was just the best division to bring him along in.

It wasn't just after the Malignaggi bout where he said, wow, that fight was to close time to move up. Other then being to big for the weight? Do you remember the big fuss over the early weigh in for the fight? They had the weigh in 4 hours earlier then usual and Malignaggi put up a big fuss because that would be 4 hours extra Cotto had to recover from losing all the weight. It wasn't following the Malignaggi fight that the weight was discovered to be an issue, it was known well before the fight. He was obviously being weakened by making the weight. He fought his first amateur fight at 12 years old at 160 pounds, Mayweather was fighting at 112 pounds at 16 years old and Cotto was at 160 at 12. Who do you think has the bigger frame?

It's no coincidence either that Cotto became a smarter fighter at 147 too. He stopped just dumbly walking down guys and in that first fight against Quintana, he showed more boxing skills then he ever had before. Not only was he more fluid, used better boxing skills, fought behind the jab and worked from the outside in and then the inside out, it was beautiful. He had a clearer head and much better punch resistance.

I was no fan of Cotto at 140, he is a different fighter at 147 and now among my favorites in all of boxing. I can see how you are annoyed how a potential huge win for Pac is already being discredited over a few pounds but if they make Cotto drop to 143, how can that be ignored? He has clearly been better at 147 and he's been at this weight for nearly 3 years now and at 28, nearly 29, years old it will almost certainly take A LOT more to make that weight then it did when he was 23,24 and 25.

160 pounds at age 12 Bilbo, no matter how much fat he had on him then, that is a clear indicator that he has a larger frame then most.

[ross]

Mayweather's not a true welterweight anyway. Not that big a deal. If it was Mosley or Cotto I could see your point, but Mayweather is the smallest "welterweight" in the division. So I have no issue with that

Right

What weight did those Two start at? Was either Welter?

No true welter could fight any lower than welter, Ricky Hatton is a true light welter and couldnt fight any lower, doesnt mean hes the best though but he couldnt fight any lower, whereas Cotto and Mosely both fought at lower weights, infact Mosely needed steroids to get to the higher weights

[Deanrw]

I say make them all weigh in at no loss than 220lbs. They want to argue about weight, make them wobble.

[CFH]

BOXINGTALK

According to Nacho Beristein the Marquez Mayweather fight is happening at 143 with Mayweather being fined $300,000 for every pound he is over.

I'm not sure how Floyd will possibly be able to compete being this drained and I hope there is no honour in the victory for Marquez when he predictably wins due to Mayweather's dehydrated state.

Marquez is just a coward, move up to 147 and face the best if you can, don't drag them down to you.

Come on people, show your outrage here.

Are there any belts on the line? No.

Is it at a weight that either fighter is going to have to make weight to the detriment of their abilities? No.

Nice try though, you're really starting to fill the void left by Xadu...

[Gandalf]

This is a shocking thread, Bilbo. You have done better.

[Kev]

BOXINGTALK

According to Nacho Beristein the Marquez Mayweather fight is happening at 143 with Mayweather being fined $300,000 for every pound he is over.

I'm not sure how Floyd will possibly be able to compete being this drained and I hope there is no honour in the victory for Marquez when he predictably wins due to Mayweather's dehydrated state.

Marquez is just a coward, move up to 147 and face the best if you can, don't drag them down to you.

Come on people, show your outrage here.

Are there any belts on the line? No.

Is it at a weight that either fighter is going to have to make to the detriment of their abilities? No.

Nice try though, you're really starting to fill the void left by Xadu...

For sure he is missed.

[CFH]

BOXINGTALK

According to Nacho Beristein the Marquez Mayweather fight is happening at 143 with Mayweather being fined $300,000 for every pound he is over.

I'm not sure how Floyd will possibly be able to compete being this drained and I hope there is no honour in the victory for Marquez when he predictably wins due to Mayweather's dehydrated state.

Marquez is just a coward, move up to 147 and face the best if you can, don't drag them down to you.

Come on people, show your outrage here.

Are there any belts on the line? No.

Is it at a weight that either fighter is going to have to make to the detriment of their abilities? No.

Nice try though, you're really starting to fill the void left by Xadu...

For sure he is missed.

Yup, like a bad case of crabs.