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    First time I've seen that Lyle. I missed the show the other night.Benn all over the news thoughbut they arent showing the footage.

    I think people black and white that want to continue interracial troubles will see it how they will to suit their cause. Without friction they havent a cause so they will find it and point it out where ever they can.

    Others will innocently see a comedy routine.

    I suppose some other people may see it as taking the piss out of Michael wanting to become white So what's that, a catch 22 for some?

    Theres no accounting for others taste, Im undecided at the moment if its an overreaction by the wounded that cant move on or if its really is an offence.

    I dont get all the fuss, in all honesty we dont think like you do, if some of our Aboriginals put on white paint and pinstriped suits danced around as Mick Jagger and the Rolling stoned, we would all be on the floor laughing right along with them, I dont belive there would be one white person in Australia to pull the race card in the reverse situation.

    Its not even a conversation topic out here amoungst people who are busy doing real things it is just what it is. My wife and I just got off the phone to an Aboriginal mate and his wife not 20 minuites ago over an athletics meeting we are running tomorrow and the conversation was about so many other things including the aboriginal name for God ,Sharnis utube site,what rofl stands for,everything, and yet we never even broached this at all, it just didnt enter our minds.
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    In many ways Oz hasn't been touched by the polical correctness that has driven the UK to madness, in this case however I found this pretty offensive. It is something that is outdated no matter what the excuse (in this case a return of a group from 20 years ago)

    I couldn't believe it when I came here that you can still buy golliwog dolls in the shops.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Andre View Post
    First time I've seen that Lyle. I missed the show the other night.Benn all over the news thoughbut they arent showing the footage.

    I think people black and white that want to continue interracial troubles will see it how they will to suit their cause. Without friction they havent a cause so they will find it and point it out where ever they can.

    Others will innocently see a comedy routine.

    I suppose some other people may see it as taking the piss out of Michael wanting to become white So what's that, a catch 22 for some?

    Theres no accounting for others taste, Im undecided at the moment if its an overreaction by the wounded that cant move on or if its really is an offence.

    I dont get all the fuss, in all honesty we dont think like you do, if some of our Aboriginals put on white paint and pinstriped suits danced around as Mick Jagger and the Rolling stoned, we would all be on the floor laughing right along with them, I dont belive there would be one white person in Australia to pull the race card in the reverse situation.

    Its not even a conversation topic out here amoungst people who are busy doing real things it is just what it is. My wife and I just got off the phone to an Aboriginal mate and his wife not 20 minuites ago over an athletics meeting we are running tomorrow and the conversation was about so many other things including the aboriginal name for God ,Sharnis utube site,what rofl stands for,everything, and yet we never even broached this at all, it just didnt enter our minds.
    I get what you're saying, but what offends people with blackface is that its so simplistic. They basically just black up to look like a stereotypical black image, something to be laughed at. In the US or UK, that just wouldn't be on.

    I know their intent was in humour, so I'm not saying they should be jailed or anything like that, but a TV show should know better. I mean it was kinda funny for a bit, but the show should still know better, I know Aussies take things less seriously so it's less of an issue there. I think Americans & Brits, both black & white, just object to seeing black people being portrayed as 'buffoons', we've moved on from that. The same thing annoys me when I see a white geeky guy in a rap video doing some 'hood' dancing, because I don't feel some stereotype should make him a laughing stock.

    In fact, basically everything Harry Connick Jr said.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JazMerkin View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Andre View Post
    First time I've seen that Lyle. I missed the show the other night.Benn all over the news thoughbut they arent showing the footage.

    I think people black and white that want to continue interracial troubles will see it how they will to suit their cause. Without friction they havent a cause so they will find it and point it out where ever they can.

    Others will innocently see a comedy routine.

    I suppose some other people may see it as taking the piss out of Michael wanting to become white So what's that, a catch 22 for some?

    Theres no accounting for others taste, Im undecided at the moment if its an overreaction by the wounded that cant move on or if its really is an offence.

    I dont get all the fuss, in all honesty we dont think like you do, if some of our Aboriginals put on white paint and pinstriped suits danced around as Mick Jagger and the Rolling stoned, we would all be on the floor laughing right along with them, I dont belive there would be one white person in Australia to pull the race card in the reverse situation.

    Its not even a conversation topic out here amoungst people who are busy doing real things it is just what it is. My wife and I just got off the phone to an Aboriginal mate and his wife not 20 minuites ago over an athletics meeting we are running tomorrow and the conversation was about so many other things including the aboriginal name for God ,Sharnis utube site,what rofl stands for,everything, and yet we never even broached this at all, it just didnt enter our minds.
    I get what you're saying, but what offends people with blackface is that its so simplistic. They basically just black up to look like a stereotypical black image, something to be laughed at. In the US or UK, that just wouldn't be on.

    I know their intent was in humour, so I'm not saying they should be jailed or anything like that, but a TV show should know better. I mean it was kinda funny for a bit, but the show should still know better, I know Aussies take things less seriously so it's less of an issue there. I think Americans & Brits, both black & white, just object to seeing black people being portrayed as 'buffoons', we've moved on from that. The same thing annoys me when I see a white geeky guy in a rap video doing some 'hood' dancing, because I don't feel some stereotype should make him a laughing stock.

    In fact, basically everything Harry Connick Jr said.
    I agree with some of what you are saying but how different is this from Bo Selector's Michael Jackson show on Channel 4 a week or so ago

    apart from being funnier than the Aussie version they are both white blokes blacking up for a comedy routine

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    I thought this was really funny never even thought about a race issue



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    Quote Originally Posted by sonny78 View Post

    I agree with some of what you are saying but how different is this from Bo Selector's Michael Jackson show on Channel 4 a week or so ago

    apart from being funnier than the Aussie version they are both white blokes blacking up for a comedy routine

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    I thought this was really funny never even thought about a race issue



    I think the difference is how he did it. He's come up with a particular set of characters who all have rubber masks & the MJ character is just one. Also the clearest difference is he is mocking to Jackson the man, rather than Jackson as a black man. I don't personally don't find it that funny, not because of any race issue but I just don't think its particularly well written comedy. But, he does the same to Craig David, Mel B, Elton John & Kelly Osbourne. The basic comedy of his show comes from how inept & unrealistic of the real person his characters are (got that from wikipedia)

    There's a big difference between that & people blacking up for laughs

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    White blonde girls !

    I think the whole world has already agreed its open slather on them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JazMerkin View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Andre View Post
    First time I've seen that Lyle. I missed the show the other night.Benn all over the news thoughbut they arent showing the footage.

    I think people black and white that want to continue interracial troubles will see it how they will to suit their cause. Without friction they havent a cause so they will find it and point it out where ever they can.

    Others will innocently see a comedy routine.

    I suppose some other people may see it as taking the piss out of Michael wanting to become white So what's that, a catch 22 for some?

    Theres no accounting for others taste, Im undecided at the moment if its an overreaction by the wounded that cant move on or if its really is an offence.

    I dont get all the fuss, in all honesty we dont think like you do, if some of our Aboriginals put on white paint and pinstriped suits danced around as Mick Jagger and the Rolling stoned, we would all be on the floor laughing right along with them, I dont belive there would be one white person in Australia to pull the race card in the reverse situation.

    Its not even a conversation topic out here amoungst people who are busy doing real things it is just what it is. My wife and I just got off the phone to an Aboriginal mate and his wife not 20 minuites ago over an athletics meeting we are running tomorrow and the conversation was about so many other things including the aboriginal name for God ,Sharnis utube site,what rofl stands for,everything, and yet we never even broached this at all, it just didnt enter our minds.
    I get what you're saying, but what offends people with blackface is that its so simplistic. They basically just black up to look like a stereotypical black image, something to be laughed at. In the US or UK, that just wouldn't be on.

    I know their intent was in humour, so I'm not saying they should be jailed or anything like that, but a TV show should know better. I mean it was kinda funny for a bit, but the show should still know better, I know Aussies take things less seriously so it's less of an issue there. I think Americans & Brits, both black & white, just object to seeing black people being portrayed as 'buffoons', we've moved on from that. The same thing annoys me when I see a white geeky guy in a rap video doing some 'hood' dancing, because I don't feel some stereotype should make him a laughing stock.

    In fact, basically everything Harry Connick Jr said.
    Yeah I understand that. Theres a few different levels of how one could take it going on here.
    With Michael only just passing away,some others,specially his avid fans will be offended for that reason too.
    I agree it needs to be corrected and yet the odd ones (whether they are white or black skinned) who seek to get the most friction from it all probably need to have a good look within too.

    So in America if say two black actors had painted themselves white and done the film dum and dummer exactly as it was portrayed would the white community (other than the kkk or fascists) kick up about it?
    Im just wondering if it works both ways over there.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Andre View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by JazMerkin View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Andre View Post
    First time I've seen that Lyle. I missed the show the other night.Benn all over the news thoughbut they arent showing the footage.

    I think people black and white that want to continue interracial troubles will see it how they will to suit their cause. Without friction they havent a cause so they will find it and point it out where ever they can.

    Others will innocently see a comedy routine.

    I suppose some other people may see it as taking the piss out of Michael wanting to become white So what's that, a catch 22 for some?

    Theres no accounting for others taste, Im undecided at the moment if its an overreaction by the wounded that cant move on or if its really is an offence.

    I dont get all the fuss, in all honesty we dont think like you do, if some of our Aboriginals put on white paint and pinstriped suits danced around as Mick Jagger and the Rolling stoned, we would all be on the floor laughing right along with them, I dont belive there would be one white person in Australia to pull the race card in the reverse situation.

    Its not even a conversation topic out here amoungst people who are busy doing real things it is just what it is. My wife and I just got off the phone to an Aboriginal mate and his wife not 20 minuites ago over an athletics meeting we are running tomorrow and the conversation was about so many other things including the aboriginal name for God ,Sharnis utube site,what rofl stands for,everything, and yet we never even broached this at all, it just didnt enter our minds.
    I get what you're saying, but what offends people with blackface is that its so simplistic. They basically just black up to look like a stereotypical black image, something to be laughed at. In the US or UK, that just wouldn't be on.

    I know their intent was in humour, so I'm not saying they should be jailed or anything like that, but a TV show should know better. I mean it was kinda funny for a bit, but the show should still know better, I know Aussies take things less seriously so it's less of an issue there. I think Americans & Brits, both black & white, just object to seeing black people being portrayed as 'buffoons', we've moved on from that. The same thing annoys me when I see a white geeky guy in a rap video doing some 'hood' dancing, because I don't feel some stereotype should make him a laughing stock.

    In fact, basically everything Harry Connick Jr said.
    Yeah I understand that. Theres a few different levels of how one could take it going on here.
    With Michael only just passing away,some others,specially his avid fans will be offended for that reason too.
    I agree it needs to be corrected and yet the odd ones (whether they are white or black skinned) who seek to get the most friction from it all probably need to have a good look within too.

    So in America if say two black actors had painted themselves white and done the film dum and dummer exactly as it was portrayed would the white community (other than the kkk or fascists) kick up about it?
    Im just wondering if it works both ways over there.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sonny78 View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Andre View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by JazMerkin View Post

    I get what you're saying, but what offends people with blackface is that its so simplistic. They basically just black up to look like a stereotypical black image, something to be laughed at. In the US or UK, that just wouldn't be on.

    I know their intent was in humour, so I'm not saying they should be jailed or anything like that, but a TV show should know better. I mean it was kinda funny for a bit, but the show should still know better, I know Aussies take things less seriously so it's less of an issue there. I think Americans & Brits, both black & white, just object to seeing black people being portrayed as 'buffoons', we've moved on from that. The same thing annoys me when I see a white geeky guy in a rap video doing some 'hood' dancing, because I don't feel some stereotype should make him a laughing stock.

    In fact, basically everything Harry Connick Jr said.
    Yeah I understand that. Theres a few different levels of how one could take it going on here.
    With Michael only just passing away,some others,specially his avid fans will be offended for that reason too.
    I agree it needs to be corrected and yet the odd ones (whether they are white or black skinned) who seek to get the most friction from it all probably need to have a good look within too.

    So in America if say two black actors had painted themselves white and done the film dum and dummer exactly as it was portrayed would the white community (other than the kkk or fascists) kick up about it?
    Im just wondering if it works both ways over there.
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    This would never pass in any other country, in america a black man can publically mock the white race on stage yet if reversed the entire nation is in uproar.

    Chris Rock bases most of his show around criticising white people and not a word is ever said. The guy is obsessed with this whole white-black divide yet instead of bringing up some decent issues chooses to mock the other race for fun.

    If i was a black person watching that aussie sketch i would be offended. No it wasnt a direct attack at a certain group of people (unlike rocks material) but more a joke about jackson himself which somehow sensors allowed to pass despite the fact it was inadverted racism.


    Where bo-selecta is concerned. The jackson skit passes every time because funny enough there arent a hell of a lot of african-americans living in the uk. But how about this...

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LdAuPOJMGPs

    Now if that jackson skits offensive to afro-americans surely the british afro-carribean community should find this upsetting??
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