(prime) Tszyu v Pac @ 140lbs

[Themantonio]

Hey guys, Im new to this (obviously) so forgive me is this thread had already been posted at some stage.

With all this talk about Pac at Welter, just wanting to know who you guys think would win in a fight between these two at 140 lbs, how and why?

[The_Infinite]

This has already been discussed before when Pac beat Hatton. But maybe there has been a change of mind after the Cotto fight.

[Dark Lord Al]

Id have to go with pacman , Vince Phillips beat a prime Kostya , and PAC is lightyears ahead of that.

[Snakey]

Id have to go with pacman , Vince Phillips beat a prime Kostya , and PAC is lightyears ahead of that.

Kostya was not at his best in that fight, he had issues outside the ring. But to say that because Phillips beat Kostya then Kostya would of lost to pac is kinda unfair because they were different styles. Kostya had a tendency to knock out fast southpaws, anyone notice that? I think of Kostya as a more powerful JMM and i think he would of given pac hell.

[Themantonio]

Kostya had a tendency to knock out fast southpaws, anyone notice that? .[/quote]

Yeh that's what I was thinking, and Tszyu was no slouch at 140lbs, arguably even a kingpin at that weight at some stage. Hence my wondering of how Pac would go against him.

[rjj tszyu]

I really don't know on this one, I'd like to say Tszyu, but I don't know!

[DaxxKahn]

Kostya had a tendency to knock out fast southpaws, anyone notice that? .

Yeh that's what I was thinking, and Tszyu was no slouch at 140lbs, arguably even a kingpin at that weight at some stage. Hence my wondering of how Pac would go against him.[/quote]

I don't think it would be a walkover for Manny in anyway because Tszyu was first class hit hard and was tough but even though Kostya did do well against fast southpaws he also was not the quickest fighter out there, I think the speed would be too much for Kostya as it seems to be with most of Pacquiao's recent opponents.

You never know though because Kostya had the ability to end things with one punch and Manny would be no exception to the rule

[TheBranMan]

Id have to go with pacman , Vince Phillips beat a prime Kostya , and PAC is lightyears ahead of that.

Kostya was not at his best in that fight, he had issues outside the ring. But to say that because Phillips beat Kostya then Kostya would of lost to pac is kinda unfair because they were different styles. Kostya had a tendency to knock out fast southpaws, anyone notice that? I think of Kostya as a more powerful JMM and i think he would of given pac hell.

Very true, good point about knocking out many fast southpaws. Kostya was an ATG in my opinion. It's a pitty he went to England to fight Hatton where he lost a wresting match complete with elbows and all. Even that old Kostya could've beaten the 'hitman' in a fair boxing match.

[J_Undisputed]

Real difficult fight to predict 10 out of 10 times. Tszyu has lots of pop and he knew he wasn't that fast so he worked on his timing counter punching and always tried to exploit his opponents mistakes. Theres no doubt, he'd have a plan against Manny.
Manny on the other hand, has speed and power and better movement than Kostya and would probably be one of the few guys that wasn't dwarfed by Tszyu in terms of power. Hes also got a good trainer that would no doubt have a plan to exploit some mistakes by Tszyu.

I'd be leaning towards Manny at this point, because i dont know if Tszyu had every faced that kind of offensive pressure and speed at the same time. Judah did well early in the first using his speed before Tszyu turned him into jelly. Hatton's pressure and swarming over a whole fight took its toll on Tszyu even if you discount the punches to the cup every few rounds. Manny seems to be able to take a decent shot and unless Tszyu drops Manny with one shot and lays him out, i would put my money on Freddie changing the plan and turning it into a whole different fight. I think the odds are with Manny, but if he deviated from the plan to test Tszyus power like he did with Cotto, it could've be the biggest mistake he ever made.

[SalTheButcher]

i dont think pacquiao would have any problem with tszyu

[miron_lang]

Pac was absorbing Left hooks, uppercuts and right hands from a Miguel Cotto at 145.



With that. Every decent 130 to 147 lb fighter beats Pacquiao in a fantasy fight.

[zhubin]

You cannot compare Cotto's power to Tszyu. Cotto has never been a one shot KO puncher. Tszyu on the other hand had devastating power...and weight has nothing to do with it. Some fighters just possess that pop on their punches that puts their opponents on their backs...and Kotsya had that. But more than that...Tszyu was just a flat out great boxer. Great skills, fantastic timing, and very intelligent. I know we are all supposed to be on full tilt worship Manny mode...but with all due respect...Cotto was no Tszyu and neither was a shot Oscar or Hatton. Third Man, good point about Mayweather's reverence for Tszyu. It shows you that even one of the biggest trash talkers in the sport had respect for Tszyu.