The most mediocre world champion of the last ten years...

[ono]

I keep hearing people say Kotelnik was the most mediocre champion in recent history in relation to Khan beating him. So it got me thinking. Kotelnik isn't great, but i can think of far worse...even at 140 i can think of a good few. So i think we need a list. Say, since the year 2000.

My list probably won't be as good as others but i'm giving it a go...

1: Carlos Maussa
2: Nikolay Valuev
3: Soulemane M'Baye
4: Gavin Rees
5: Enzo Macarinelli
6: Alex Arthur
7: Vivain Harris
8: Kassim Ouma
9: Carlos Baldomir
10: Giacobbe Fragomeni

There will be plenty of others. There's been some really shit world champions.

[ElTerribleMorales]

i dunno about Ouma, he was a decent fighter and gave Taylor fits

but the rest are about right, funny though you make the thread trying to say that Kotelnik wasn't complete garbage, but who'd he win the title from? ohh right the shit that is Reese, Kotelnik's biggest win was a gift decision against Maidana

oh and Fana (spelling) and Raheem deserve to be on that list

[ono]

i dunno about Ouma, he was a decent fighter and gave Taylor fits

but the rest are about right, funny though you make the thread trying to say that Kotelnik wasn't complete garbage, but who'd he win the title from? ohh right the shit that is Reese, Kotelnik's biggest win was a gift decision against Maidana

oh and Fana (spelling) and Raheem deserve to be on that list

Gift decision? Close fight maybe, gift decision - hell no.

Kotelnik had a similar fight (altho boring) against Junior Witter, which Witter got the nod in. Both fights that could have gone either way.

The thing with Kotelnik is, that technically speaking he is very sound. His main problem is his work-rate. Khan's win over him, for me, was good because he practically boxed his head off.

[ElTerribleMorales]

i dunno about Ouma, he was a decent fighter and gave Taylor fits

but the rest are about right, funny though you make the thread trying to say that Kotelnik wasn't complete garbage, but who'd he win the title from? ohh right the shit that is Reese, Kotelnik's biggest win was a gift decision against Maidana

oh and Fana (spelling) and Raheem deserve to be on that list

Gift decision? Close fight maybe, gift decision - hell no.

Kotelnik had a similar fight (altho boring) against Junior Witter, which Witter got the nod in. Both fights that could have gone either way.

The thing with Kotelnik is, that technically speaking he is very sound. His main problem is his work-rate. Khan's win over him, for me, was good because he practically boxed his head off.

i had Maidana winning 116-112, not that close

and beating Witter doesn't really say much, and dropping a decision to him says even less, i've said it time, and time again Junior Witter is garbage, hell you could go ahead and add him to your list of mediocre champions

[ono]

i dunno about Ouma, he was a decent fighter and gave Taylor fits

but the rest are about right, funny though you make the thread trying to say that Kotelnik wasn't complete garbage, but who'd he win the title from? ohh right the shit that is Reese, Kotelnik's biggest win was a gift decision against Maidana

oh and Fana (spelling) and Raheem deserve to be on that list

Gift decision? Close fight maybe, gift decision - hell no.

Kotelnik had a similar fight (altho boring) against Junior Witter, which Witter got the nod in. Both fights that could have gone either way.

The thing with Kotelnik is, that technically speaking he is very sound. His main problem is his work-rate. Khan's win over him, for me, was good because he practically boxed his head off.

i had Maidana winning 116-112, not that close

and beating Witter doesn't really say much, and dropping a decision to him says even less, i've said it time, and time again Junior Witter is garbage, hell you could go ahead and add him to your list of mediocre champions

It was close. The fact that you had Maidana winning and the 2 judges had Kotelnik winning suggests it was close. Boxing News (imo the most reliable source for fight coverage) had it a draw i think.

If your result against Witter counts for a lot, then Tim Bradley's up there aswell.

[Jimanuel Boogustus]

Evidently, here's a phrase that doesn't sound so appealing:

''And The New, Wba Light-welter-weight Champion Of The World...''

[ElTerribleMorales]

Gift decision? Close fight maybe, gift decision - hell no.

Kotelnik had a similar fight (altho boring) against Junior Witter, which Witter got the nod in. Both fights that could have gone either way.

The thing with Kotelnik is, that technically speaking he is very sound. His main problem is his work-rate. Khan's win over him, for me, was good because he practically boxed his head off.

i had Maidana winning 116-112, not that close

and beating Witter doesn't really say much, and dropping a decision to him says even less, i've said it time, and time again Junior Witter is garbage, hell you could go ahead and add him to your list of mediocre champions

It was close. The fact that you had Maidana winning and the 2 judges had Kotelnik winning suggests it was close. Boxing News (imo the most reliable source for fight coverage) had it a draw i think.

If your result against Witter counts for a lot, then Tim Bradley's up there aswell.

difference is Bradley's beaten Holt, and was schooling Campbell until the headbutt

[DaxxKahn]

You can add Hasim Rahman, Shannon Briggs, Paul Malinaggi,

[El Kabong]

ummmm JOHN RUIZ

[ElTerribleMorales]

Yes he is a pretty crappy champion and besides beating Taylor the 1st time he fought him in a non title bout at 166 so as far as reigns go he sucks.

aside from Sturm, who was there for him to fight? i mean come 2010 he has options, there Williams, Martinez, Mora, and well Sturm

Arthur Abraham, Winky Wright, Felix Sturm, Paul Williams and those options have been there for a while now. I hope 2010 he mans up and fights someone in the top 5.

Abraham is now at 168, Winky went idle for over a year and Williams beat the snot out of him, and Williams has just stepped up to 160, can't really knock Pavlik (besides for his BS reason of pulling out of the Williams fight), to his credit aside from Rubio (who was rated in the top 10) and now Espino, Hopkins has fought Taylor and Hopkins since winning the title, the main thing that's killed his career up to now is that is his inactivity, don't forget that before winning the title he also KO'd Zertuche and Miranda in impressive fashion

[jon09]

aside from Sturm, who was there for him to fight? i mean come 2010 he has options, there Williams, Martinez, Mora, and well Sturm

Arthur Abraham, Winky Wright, Felix Sturm, Paul Williams and those options have been there for a while now. I hope 2010 he mans up and fights someone in the top 5.

Abraham is now at 168, Winky went idle for over a year and Williams beat the snot out of him, and Williams has just stepped up to 160, can't really knock Pavlik (besides for his BS reason of pulling out of the Williams fight), to his credit aside from Rubio (who was rated in the top 10) and now Espino, Hopkins has fought Taylor and Hopkins since winning the title, the main thing that's killed his career up to now is that is his inactivity, don't forget that before winning the title he also KO'd Zertuche and Miranda in impressive fashion

AA had been sitting in the middleweight division longer then Pavlik and decided to move up because he was not getting any shot at him. Wright had been calling out Pavlik for sometime before deciding to go up and fight Hopkins and now the Williams fight has been scrapped again. Since he has won the belt he has not fought the whos who of the middleweights and has not taken on a credible fighter since the Taylor rematch. And keep in mind that this thread is titled mediocre world champion which as of now fits Pavlik perfectly.

[gest12645]

Eric Aiken, Sergei Lyakowich come to mind

[Preme]

im gunna look like a total cunt by defending these to because Im Welsh but fuck it...

First off, Enzo dman good fighter, has a warriors heart, yes he is on of my best mates so you can consider me biased but he has just needs to get back his confidence and i'll wager anything he can rule his weight class.

As for Gavin, he should be fighting at super feather, but won a full blown world title at Lw... thats a good ask IMO...

[generalbulldog]

Koki Kameda

[ElTerribleMorales]

im gunna look like a total cunt by defending these to because Im Welsh but fuck it...

First off, Enzo dman good fighter, has a warriors heart, yes he is on of my best mates so you can consider me biased but he has just needs to get back his confidence and i'll wager anything he can rule his weight class.

As for Gavin, he should be fighting at super feather, but won a full blown world title at Lw... thats a good ask IMO...

that said Enzo sucks balls got brutally beat twice back to back and Reese is utter shit, he had to fight on Prizefighter for a reason...