Someone needs to explain to me why Floyd doesn't deserve to be mentioned with ATGs

[Beanflicker]

In boxing I'm so used to seeing guys get hit and rocked like that and start to fold mentally. Floyd doesn't even show pain or worry on his face, he just walked to his corner with a cocky grin on his face, made the adjustments, and wrecked Mosley's shit.

He has supreme natural athletic ability. He has forgotten more about boxing technique than most fighters will ever know. He has heart, composure, discipline. Mentally strong.

Yet people always balk at the though of him being mentioned with the legends of the sport.

I don't want to start a debate on where Floyd's place in history is. But what do guys like SRR, SRL, Ali, Duran, Pernell, Pep, Armstrong, ECT ECT ECT have that Floyd does not?

Someone needs to explain why he doesn't deserve to be mentioned with ATGs, because I don't understand it.

The guy is a living legend, and with the decline of boxing as it is, we'll probably never see a fighter like this again.

[Oggie]

Agreed man, but irrational haters will always find a way to throw mud at him. Because Floyd has made himself the bad guy, he'll never be truly accepted and people will always want to and need to devalue his performances in any way they can. I'm no fan, but even I can see that he is an all-time great, without doubt.
I mean, he didn't just outbox Shane (a fellow all-time great) tonight, he bullied him around the ring and everything, and without breaking a sweat. Nobody could have foreseen that happening! I thought for sure he would box off the back foot for the whole fight en-route to a decision, but he proved me wrong in unbelievable fashion.



But wait, do I hear the cries of - 'Shane was past it!' - in the distance?

[doublehook2]

Beanflicker, Floyd Mayweather Jr is a boxing legend. He could be the greatest boxer of all time. A performance like that does so much to show even the biggest Mayweather hater exactly why.

This guy is a living legend, and I don't believe that boxing is on the decline. I think Floyd Mayweather has done a lot to keep the sport alive. Floyd Mayweather's fights are huge. It's incredibly atmospheric to watch a Mayweather fight.

His boxing ability is top notch. Pacquiao would give Mayweather some problems early, but after 8 or 9 rounds, I gotta believe that Mayweather will be the stronger more in-control fighter.

I appreciate Floyd Mayweather for his craft. Say what you want about him, but he backs it up with incredible performances. This performance against Shane was one of his best.

[Truth]

I said before the fight that Shane was past it and it would be a lopsided Mayweather decision. Floyd isn't mentioned w/ ATG's because
A)Ducked too much top opposition
B)Safety first fighting Style
C)He hasn't achieved as much as Pacquiao
D)The one which I believe is most important. We don't know what we got till it's gone.

[doublehook2]

I said before the fight that Shane was past it and it would be a lopsided Mayweather decision. Floyd isn't mentioned w/ ATG's because
A)Ducked too much top opposition
B)Safety first fighting Style
C)He hasn't achieved as much as Pacquiao
D)The one which I believe is most important. We don't know what we got till it's gone.

Lets compare, Sugar Ray Leonard, an all-time great to PBF.

Sugar Ray Leonard fought 40 fights in his career. 36-3-1, 25 KOs

Floyd Mayweather has fought 41 fights in his career. 41-0, 25 KOs

I mean yeah SRL fought some great opponents in the 80s, but Mayweather has a better record than SRL and has won a lot of big fights himself.

For people who say Mayweather ducked competition, he has had more fights than SRL did, an all-time great.

And what do you mean he hasn't achieved as much as Pacquiao? Pacquiao has losses and draws. Mayweather has no loses and no draws. And why would that disqualify Mayweather from being an all-time great even if it was true? (which it isn't)

And what has Pacquiao achieved that Mayweather hasn't?

[mnmc10]

For people who say Mayweather ducked competition, he has had more fights than SRL did, an all-time great.





david tua
51-3-1
he fought more than pbf and srl he only lost 3 fights so does it make him an ATG?
its not how many you won and how little you lost. its who you won against and the way he finished that opponent.

[match]

In 41 pro fights there are only 3 fighters who Floyd did not meet who he definately could have; Williams, Cotto, and Margarito. He get's a pass for Williams for the same reason De la Hoya gets a pass for ducking Winky Wright, because it was a fight that flat out would not have sold to anyone but us hardcore fans. Mayweather-Cotto would have been huge at the time and Floyd used a bullsh!t excuse for not taking it. Mayweather-Margarito also would have sold alot and even though I think Floyd wins them all, it doesn't mean much if he never gets in the ring with them. That being said aside from Holyfield and Mosley there haven't been too many other fighters the past 20 years who have fought absolutely everyone they could have. Floyd is clearly an all time great and IMO top 10 p4p but can't make the claim for #1, at least not now.

[ICB]

I said before the fight that Shane was past it and it would be a lopsided Mayweather decision. Floyd isn't mentioned w/ ATG's because
A)Ducked too much top opposition
B)Safety first fighting Style
C)He hasn't achieved as much as Pacquiao
D)The one which I believe is most important. We don't know what we got till it's gone.

Lets compare, Sugar Ray Leonard, an all-time great to PBF.

Sugar Ray Leonard fought 40 fights in his career. 36-3-1, 25 KOs

Floyd Mayweather has fought 41 fights in his career. 41-0, 25 KOs

I mean yeah SRL fought some great opponents in the 80s, but Mayweather has a better record than SRL and has won a lot of big fights himself.

For people who say Mayweather ducked competition, he has had more fights than SRL did, an all-time great.

And what do you mean he hasn't achieved as much as Pacquiao? Pacquiao has losses and draws. Mayweather has no loses and no draws. And why would that disqualify Mayweather from being an all-time great even if it was true? (which it isn't)

And what has Pacquiao achieved that Mayweather hasn't?

SRL didn't have more fights because he had eye problems, which is why he retired for a few years and comeback. Im a big Floyd Mayweather Jr fan, but come on Floyd Mayweather Jr hasn't fought anyone close to.

Wilfredo Benitez
Tommy Hearns
Marvin Hagler
Roberto Duran

[Majesty]

I said before the fight that Shane was past it and it would be a lopsided Mayweather decision. Floyd isn't mentioned w/ ATG's because
A)Ducked too much top opposition
B)Safety first fighting Style
C)He hasn't achieved as much as Pacquiao
D)The one which I believe is most important. We don't know what we got till it's gone.

Lets compare, Sugar Ray Leonard, an all-time great to PBF.

Sugar Ray Leonard fought 40 fights in his career. 36-3-1, 25 KOs

Floyd Mayweather has fought 41 fights in his career. 41-0, 25 KOs

I mean yeah SRL fought some great opponents in the 80s, but Mayweather has a better record than SRL and has won a lot of big fights himself.

For people who say Mayweather ducked competition, he has had more fights than SRL did, an all-time great.

And what do you mean he hasn't achieved as much as Pacquiao? Pacquiao has losses and draws. Mayweather has no loses and no draws. And why would that disqualify Mayweather from being an all-time great even if it was true? (which it isn't)

And what has Pacquiao achieved that Mayweather hasn't?

SRL didn't have more fights because he had eye problems, which is why he retired for a few years and comeback. Im a big Floyd Mayweather Jr fan, but come on Floyd Mayweather Jr hasn't fought anyone close to.

Wilfredo Benitez
Tommy Hearns
Marvin Hagler
Roberto Duran

Is that Mayweather's fault though? There's no one who's resume out there has 4 people of those kind of ATG stature.


Personally I think people pay for legacy way too much, just because they weren't around in the 70s and didn't fight people who are now after their career is over seen as some of the greatest fighters of their generation. That should stay in their generation.

I think if you have a resume of beating the top fighters in YOUR generation, not the 70s, not the 80s, but now generation, then they deserve the same kind of recognition. Because 30 years from now come of these names will be on the ATG lists too.

[Kev]

I said before the fight that Shane was past it and it would be a lopsided Mayweather decision. Floyd isn't mentioned w/ ATG's because
A)Ducked too much top opposition
B)Safety first fighting Style
C)He hasn't achieved as much as Pacquiao
D)The one which I believe is most important. We don't know what we got till it's gone.

Lets compare, Sugar Ray Leonard, an all-time great to PBF.

Sugar Ray Leonard fought 40 fights in his career. 36-3-1, 25 KOs

Floyd Mayweather has fought 41 fights in his career. 41-0, 25 KOs

I mean yeah SRL fought some great opponents in the 80s, but Mayweather has a better record than SRL and has won a lot of big fights himself.

For people who say Mayweather ducked competition, he has had more fights than SRL did, an all-time great.

And what do you mean he hasn't achieved as much as Pacquiao? Pacquiao has losses and draws. Mayweather has no loses and no draws. And why would that disqualify Mayweather from being an all-time great even if it was true? (which it isn't)

And what has Pacquiao achieved that Mayweather hasn't?

SRL didn't have more fights because he had eye problems, which is why he retired for a few years and comeback. Im a big Floyd Mayweather Jr fan, but come on Floyd Mayweather Jr hasn't fought anyone close to.

Wilfredo Benitez
Tommy Hearns
Marvin Hagler
Roberto Duran

Yeah but come on Ice most people think he lost to three of them

[Majesty]

I said before the fight that Shane was past it and it would be a lopsided Mayweather decision. Floyd isn't mentioned w/ ATG's because
A)Ducked too much top opposition
B)Safety first fighting Style
C)He hasn't achieved as much as Pacquiao
D)The one which I believe is most important. We don't know what we got till it's gone.

Who has Mayweather ducked?

[Hunter]

I said before the fight that Shane was past it and it would be a lopsided Mayweather decision. Floyd isn't mentioned w/ ATG's because
A)Ducked too much top opposition
B)Safety first fighting Style
C)He hasn't achieved as much as Pacquiao
D)The one which I believe is most important. We don't know what we got till it's gone.

Who has Mayweather ducked?

Whether he ducked opposition is subjective but it doesnt always seem that Floyd's top objective is fighting the best. He didnt fight Hatton at 140 and didnt seem in any kind of rush to fight Margarito or Cotto back a few years ago when the fans demanded those fights. Now with the demands for rigorous blood testing, Floyd, in some peoples minds will appear as though he is afraid of Pac. Personally I believe Floyd would dominate Pac and should just take the dam fight.

[Snakey]

I said before the fight that Shane was past it and it would be a lopsided Mayweather decision. Floyd isn't mentioned w/ ATG's because
A)Ducked too much top opposition
B)Safety first fighting Style
C)He hasn't achieved as much as Pacquiao
D)The one which I believe is most important. We don't know what we got till it's gone.

Who has Mayweather ducked?

Whether he ducked opposition is subjective but it doesnt always seem that Floyd's top objective is fighting the best. He didnt fight Hatton at 140 and didnt seem in any kind of rush to fight Margarito or Cotto back a few years ago when the fans demanded those fights. Now with the demands for rigorous blood testing, Floyd, in some peoples minds will appear as though he is afraid of Pac. Personally I believe Floyd would dominate Pac and should just take the dam fight.

Why did floyd have to fight Hatton at 140? I believe Hatton needed that fight more than Floyd, Floyd was ranked no 1 P4P best in the world so why would he fight at someone elses weight? Hatton wanted to prove he was the best so he had to beat the best at their own weight. We all saw what Mosley did to Margarito, Mayweather would of beaten the shit out of him and same with Cotto. He is a different class all together. I think you can only say someone ducked a fighter when the fighter they supposedly ducked is actually a threat. How was Margarito, Hatton at 140 and Cotto a threat? What did we actually see that showed this guys could hang with floyd at all? Cotto would of been systematically dismantled and tkoed very similiar to what Floyd did to hatton.