Ralph Nader

[Gandalf]

I have been listening to a number of interviews with Ralph Nader and TBH I haven't heard all that much that I disagree with. He seems like an astute man with a firm grasp on all of the issues that matter, which is pretty unusual for a politician. He obviously thinks outside the box and doesn't bow to the elite controlled mainstream media nor suck up to the two less than democratic main parties.

Here is Nader speaking on election evening and even then he had it all figured out about Obama. I wasn't so clued in and wasmuch more optimistic about Obama, but it's only in the last couple of years that I have been seriously honing in on US politics.







And here he is dealing with the most obnoxious little toad of a presenter I have ever seen. Okay, Nader could have made use of more PC language, but his point was clear and he explained all his others points well too. Of course, the mainstream media didn't want to talk about the issues that matter. It's a little like the Helen Thomas dismissal. She's a credible journalist who asks the correct questions and she had a little rant about Israel. So we forget about all the important stuff that she has done and burn her for a little gaffe which she subsequently apologises for? How about looking at her important question about who has nuclear weapons in the region? But no, instead they ignore the important points and focus on the relatively trivial. Screw the mainstream media. Rant over, here is Nader having his moment in the mainstream.



Anyway, what are you views on Ralph Nader? I quite like him.

[Gandalf]

Dammit, these videos are simply too big.

[El Kabong]

Right now I think ANYONE would be better than Obama

[Gandalf]

Right now I think ANYONE would be better than Obama

Come on now Lyle, Sarah Palin would clearly be worse than Obama.

I think what has become apparent is that party politics is a charade and that both parties are in the vested interests of the corporations that fund the campaigns. This was the opportunity for the Democrats with a majority to show that they could go against the grain and reverse the Bush years, but all we are seeing is a perpetuation and perhaps even an escalation of the Bush years. The lobbyists and corporations behind them seem to have won. Let's see what happens to this financial reform bill and see just how watered down it finally becomes, I've a feeling that it will be much like the healthcare bill, so watered down that it becomes irrelevant.

However, unless you stand for either of these parties you haven't got a shot at becoming President and yet if you join one of these parties then you have most likely sold out already. People like Ron Paul are all too rare in US party politics. Ralph Nader seems like a man with his principles in all the right places, but he was never going to win more than a tiny share of the popular vote due to the way the system is set up. It's not so democratic when you break it down.

[El Kabong]

Right now I think ANYONE would be better than Obama

Come on now Lyle, Sarah Palin would clearly be worse than Obama.

I think what has become apparent is that party politics is a charade and that both parties are in the vested interests of the corporations that fund the campaigns. This was the opportunity for the Democrats with a majority to show that they could go against the grain and reverse the Bush years, but all we are seeing is a perpetuation and perhaps even an escalation of the Bush years. The lobbyists and corporations behind them seem to have won. Let's see what happens to this financial reform bill and see just how watered down it finally becomes, I've a feeling that it will be much like the healthcare bill, so watered down that it becomes irrelevant.

However, unless you stand for either of these parties you haven't got a shot at becoming President and yet if you join one of these parties then you have most likely sold out already. People like Ron Paul are all too rare in US party politics. Ralph Nader seems like a man with his principles in all the right places, but he was never going to win more than a tiny share of the popular vote due to the way the system is set up. It's not so democratic when you break it down.

While I agree Palin would be a bad President and I wouldn't vote for her it's not a given that she'd be worse than Obama....the guy doesn't have a fucking clue

[Kev]

haha Miles you're a loon mate. Helen Thomas had a 'little rant' at Israel? She basically told them to fuck off home to Germany and Poland (where they were gassed in their millions I may add), that's probably the most outrageous and offensive thing a person in a position of authority in America has said in decades.

Imagine saying that about any other race on earth, how about Black's in the US, there would an outcry.

She's a fucking evil old croan and an anti semitic witch.