Jack Johnson verses Jess Willard

[keo]

Jack Johnson, always claims that this fight was a set up, and that he was not really knocked out.He is seen shading his eyes from the sun, in the knock out photo, he was 37 years old ,the fight lasted 26 rounds.Ive seen most of the old footage of the fight ,and l agree with Johnsons view, that he threw the fight.Jess Willard was not skillful enough to beat Johnson.l understand that this was a long time a go ,1915 but l would be interested to hear what people think regards. keo.

[Saddo]

i remember watching some footage a few years ago and to me Johnson was old out of shape and got put down by a punch...

without researching it again i would say he lost the fight to the younger giant IMO

[Master]

Agreed Johnson was old and it was a very hot day and got caught with a peach of a punch. It was a legitimate stoppage. Johnson at his best would have beaten Willard easily. Johnson only said that years later, to make some publicity, controversy and money.

[Lance Uppercut]

Johnson sold that story to a french newspaper in his later years. I don't think any real boxing historian finds it credible.

If you read Unforgivable Blackness, they paint a picture of a poor conditioned Johnson that went into that fight.

He had not had a real fight in a long time, he was overweight, and he was drinking and partying every night. And the fight was a condition of his re-entry into the US. Before the fight, the promotors knew that Johnson would be beaten by any legitimate fighter.

[johnmaff36]

If johnson was going to throw a fight, why fight for over an hour in a baking sun before 'lying down'? Its bullshit. He was beaten fair and square by the better guy on the day even though the same man wasnt in johnsons league in his prime

[Andre]

If johnson was going to throw a fight, why fight for over an hour in a baking sun before 'lying down'? Its bullshit. He was beaten fair and square by the better guy on the day even though the same man wasnt in johnsons league in his prime

Good Logic wins .

[Master]

If johnson was going to throw a fight, why fight for over an hour in a baking sun before 'lying down'? Its bullshit. He was beaten fair and square by the better guy on the day even though the same man wasnt in johnsons league in his prime

Good Logic wins .

Think the story was he was waiting until he got confirmation that he got paid. That is what Johnson alleges.

[brocktonblockbust]

If johnson was going to throw a fight, why fight for over an hour in a baking sun before 'lying down'? Its bullshit. He was beaten fair and square by the better guy on the day even though the same man wasnt in johnsons league in his prime

yes excellent point just go in 1/2 hearted and after 6 minutes take a dive. Was he working on his tan for 25 rounds first in that sun?

[Master]

If johnson was going to throw a fight, why fight for over an hour in a baking sun before 'lying down'? Its bullshit. He was beaten fair and square by the better guy on the day even though the same man wasnt in johnsons league in his prime

yes excellent point just go in 1/2 hearted and after 6 minutes take a dive. Was he working on his tan for 25 rounds first in that sun?

Johnson claims that he was waiting for the money to be handed over and when he got the nod which was after 25 rounds he took the dive. I believe he was fairly beaten and he wanted to make some money in his retirement.

[johnsebastianmiran]

Johnson sold that story to a french newspaper in his later years. I don't think any real boxing historian finds it credible.

If you read Unforgivable Blackness, they paint a picture of a poor conditioned Johnson that went into that fight.

He had not had a real fight in a long time, he was overweight, and he was drinking and partying every night. And the fight was a condition of his re-entry into the US. Before the fight, the promotors knew that Johnson would be beaten by any legitimate fighter.

Whether he was poorly conditioned, there was a proverbial knife in his back and he wanted to go home considering that he was out of place in Europe and forced to act like someone he could never be. It was in some eyes too little too late. The curtain came down. As for the fix, 26 rounds is a long time to find out if the funds have been deposited. He should have done it before entering the ring. As for the reason he either got screwed or said he was screwed, the United States has come a long way with it's attitude toward racism and for all practical purposes, it's working it's way into the closet like some other prejudices used to be.

[Sand Man]

Johnson, on that day, could not touch Willard and he got hit by a big right hand from a 245 pound man after 26 rounds in the Caribbean sun. Game over for Johnson. Doubtful that Johnson would have gotten hit by that punch in his prime. Not so different than James Jeffries running out of gas and essentially collapsing from exhaustion on the "Great White Hope" fight some 5 years earlier. Jeffries took much worse beatings in his prime from the likes of Fitz and Sharkey and bulled his way to victories due to his massive strength and conditioning. For the Johnson fight, JJJ was a shell of his former self with no warm up fights. Big surprise that the fight ended like it did. Johnson was like Jeffries at the end - past their prime, out of fighting trim, and lost to age, essentially.

[beenKOed]

Johnson, on that day, could not touch Willard and he got hit by a big right hand from a 245 pound man after 26 rounds in the Caribbean sun. Game over for Johnson. Doubtful that Johnson would have gotten hit by that punch in his prime. Not so different than James Jeffries running out of gas and essentially collapsing from exhaustion on the "Great White Hope" fight some 5 years earlier. Jeffries took much worse beatings in his prime from the likes of Fitz and Sharkey and bulled his way to victories due to his massive strength and conditioning. For the Johnson fight, JJJ was a shell of his former self with no warm up fights. Big surprise that the fight ended like it did. Johnson was like Jeffries at the end - past their prime, out of fighting trim, and lost to age, essentially.

We all do, eventually. The supreme equalizer and the ultimate slap in the face, old age.

[THE PHILOSOPHER]

Jack Johnson, always claims that this fight was a set up, and that he was not really knocked out.He is seen shading his eyes from the sun, in the knock out photo, he was 37 years old ,the fight lasted 26 rounds.Ive seen most of the old footage of the fight ,and l agree with Johnsons view, that he threw the fight.Jess Willard was not skillful enough to beat Johnson.l understand that this was a long time a go ,1915 but l would be interested to hear what people think regards. keo.

A fighter from a century ago. Does SB not have a classic forum?

[IamInuit]

Jack Johnson, always claims that this fight was a set up, and that he was not really knocked out.He is seen shading his eyes from the sun, in the knock out photo, he was 37 years old ,the fight lasted 26 rounds.Ive seen most of the old footage of the fight ,and l agree with Johnsons view, that he threw the fight.Jess Willard was not skillful enough to beat Johnson.l understand that this was a long time a go ,1915 but l would be interested to hear what people think regards. keo.

A fighter from a century ago. Does SB not have a classic forum?

Whats so funny about that. Its a boxing forum and many including myself enjoy discussing past eras.
If they are going to do anything they should make a freakin Klitschko forum.

[THE PHILOSOPHER]

Jack Johnson, always claims that this fight was a set up, and that he was not really knocked out.He is seen shading his eyes from the sun, in the knock out photo, he was 37 years old ,the fight lasted 26 rounds.Ive seen most of the old footage of the fight ,and l agree with Johnsons view, that he threw the fight.Jess Willard was not skillful enough to beat Johnson.l understand that this was a long time a go ,1915 but l would be interested to hear what people think regards. keo.

A fighter from a century ago. Does SB not have a classic forum?

Whats so funny about that. Its a boxing forum and many including myself enjoy discussing past eras.
If they are going to do anything they should make a freakin Klitschko forum.

I would love that. They own a division so why not a forum?