The state of the HW Division

[erics44]

If the Klits (or David Haye) were American do you think that the HW division would be frowned upon quite so much both within and without of the Boxing world?

[HattonTheHammer]

If the Klits (or David Haye) were American do you think that the HW division would be frowned upon quite so much both within and without of the Boxing world?

No it wouldnt, it would make for classic viewing because the powers that be would make sure that both guys dont fill out arenas fighting guys that are ranked #8 #9 by the wbc, wbo when they are clearly already miles ahead of everyone else as it is

both would of already fought the likes of haye, povetkin, valuev etc by now and both would of been conclusively rich enough to retire on their current earnings and allow the new crop to come through

[ElTerribleMorales]

are you kidding me, people were still talking shit about how bad the HW division is when guys like Ruiz, Rahman, Byrd, Brewster, and Briggs held titles, the HW is crap doesn't matter where the guys are from

[Hornfinger]

Here's my take on the Heavyweight division........

1 Wladmir klitschko
2 Vitali Klitschko
3 David Haye
4 Tomasz Adamek
5 -
6 -
7 -
8 -
9-
10 -
11 -
.......

100 - All the other fat pile of shit excuses for heavy weights.

[El Kabong]

Here's my take on the Heavyweight division........

1 Wladmir klitschko
2 Vitali Klitschko
3 David Haye
4 Tomasz Adamek
5 -
6 -
7 -
8 -
9-
10 -
11 -
.......

100 - All the other fat pile of shit excuses for heavy weights.
101 - Audley Harrison

Fixed that for you


ElTerrible open your eyes and ears man, in the US guys that NEVER hate on heavyweights have been holding a grudge against both Klitschko's for not apparent reason. As for Chicken Little, he dug his own hole for himself....it's unAmerican to talk shit and not do anything. Talking shit and having an enemy back down is one thing, but to talk shit and never even try to back it up....that's what we call "Bush League"

Bert Sugar, Larry Merchant, and Teddy Atlas have all commented on Klitschko fights in a manner where they blew things completely out of proportion and what sucks is they are all highly respected by some boxing fans but more the average Joe's who just so happen to catch a fight. They'll see a fight and see Bert with his stogie and his fedora and recognize him and think "I can trust that guy's opinion" and then Bert spouts pure hatred and says neither Klitschko deserves to fight again and they are boring and bla blah blah.....it's not good for the sport it's not good for our boxers, it's not good for our fans, and I hate to say it because I like Bert, but it's fucking wrong. People can say all they want about how "The Klitschko's are only good because of their size" that's bullshit, they are good because of their technique, their training, their skills, their athletic ability, AND their size. There have been plenty of BIG heavyweights that have ended up only making big impressions on the canvas eg Primo Carnera whom I might add that bert Sugar said would "Kill Klitschko"....that's outrageous I think even the haters of Wlad would say he easily handles Primo. There IS a bias at least among some of the older generation.

Plenty of Americans like the Klitschko's but a few with microphones in front of them are speaking against them.

[rjj tszyu]

I think Americans would be a lot more excited about Haye than the Klits if they were all American. Haye is good to watch and takes risks. If Haye gets his head down and starts fighting real opponents after Audley I think he can still be a star over there.

[Hornfinger]

Here's my take on the Heavyweight division........

1 Wladmir klitschko
2 Vitali Klitschko
3 David Haye
4 Tomasz Adamek
5 -
6 -
7 -
8 -
9-
10 -
11 -
.......

100 - All the other fat pile of shit excuses for heavy weights.
101 - Audley Harrison
102 - Derek Chisora

Fixed that for you

Fixed it again for you sunshine.

[erics44]

If the Klits (or David Haye) were American do you think that the HW division would be frowned upon quite so much both within and without of the Boxing world?

No it wouldnt, it would make for classic viewing because the powers that be would make sure that both guys dont fill out arenas fighting guys that are ranked #8 #9 by the wbc, wbo when they are clearly already miles ahead of everyone else as it is

both would of already fought the likes of haye, povetkin, valuev etc by now and both would of been conclusively rich enough to retire on their current earnings and allow the new crop to come through

i think one thing leads on to the other

i think you thought you answered no but really you answered yes

[El Kabong]

Its kind of hard to have a meaningful fight when the division is pretty thin on legit contenders to begin with, everyone is avoiding Wlad, busy, hurt, and already signed to a different fight. Chicken Little, Povetkin, Adamek, Solis, Valuev....they can't or won't fight Wlad, what do you want the guy to do wait around for someone like Dempsey did?

[rjj tszyu]

Its kind of hard to have a meaningful fight when the division is pretty thin on legit contenders to begin with, everyone is avoiding Wlad, busy, hurt, and already signed to a different fight. Chicken Little, Povetkin, Adamek, Solis, Valuev....they can't or won't fight Wlad, what do you want the guy to do wait around for someone like Dempsey did?

There are better opponents than Chisora out there but I know where your coming from, believe me, he really he isn't that good at all. He was in a real tough fight with Sexton and Sexton was very lucky to beat Martin Rogan in the first fight. Rogan actually stopped fighting because he thought the ref should be stopping the fight and literally 1 min later the doctor stopped the fight because of a swelling Rogan had on his eye. That was the last time Rogan was the tough bastard that a lot of people had grown to love and he was not the same man in the rematch although it would be harsh to take too much from Sexton as he had improved...... Just not as much as the Sky commentators make out.

But no I do know where you are coming from and one thing I admire about Wlad is that he remains active despite the lack of opponents. I would target someone like Arreola though if I was Wlad, Yes it is a guaranteed win, BUT it is a tougher fight than Chisora and he would get some much needed coverage in America!

[El Kabong]

Oh I would love to see that fight (Wlad-Arreola)....hopefully Cris can get his ass back in decent shape, win a few decent fights and get another crack at it. Chisora is fresh, new, and hell you never know what a kid is going to do if they get a title shot. Wlad and Manny are just going to tweak their style to create more action and more drama and hopefully it works out for them...Wlad could run the division with his outside fighter technique for a LOOOOONG time, if he goes more Lennox Lewis he's good enough to reign for a long time still but it causes a little more excitement in the division.

[Jimanuel Boogustus]

hurry up and have an opinion of your own eric, your boring me

[erics44]

hurry up and have an opinion of your own eric, your boring me

ok heres mine

theres nothing wrong with the HW division, in fact the two at the top are as good as (if not better than) any in history, there arent as many names running down the order but that is because the two at the top are so dominant and its harder to make a name in big fights when titles arent on the line

america is the centre of the world as far as boxing is concerned, and historically, they have always had the heavyweight champ.

The HW division will be considered rubbish by americans (where most of the "experts" ply their trade) until an american heavyweight at least looks like having a slight chance of winning a version of the title

all this talk about the HW division being crap is american propaganda

[El Kabong]

I whole heartedly agree erics44!

Prime example Bert Sugar

Bert says "Primo Carnera kills Klitschko"


Bert says "People will still want to see Jones-Hopkins II" and that "Jones-Hopkins II could rival Ali-Frazier III and Leonard-Hearns II"

Que Ridiculo!

[Jimanuel Boogustus]

hurry up and have an opinion of your own eric, your boring me

ok heres mine

theres nothing wrong with the HW division, in fact the two at the top are as good as (if not better than) any in history, there arent as many names running down the order but that is because the two at the top are so dominant and its harder to make a name in big fights when titles arent on the line

america is the centre of the world as far as boxing is concerned, and historically, they have always had the heavyweight champ.

The HW division will be considered rubbish by americans (where most of the "experts" ply their trade) until an american heavyweight at least looks like having a slight chance of winning a version of the title

all this talk about the HW division being crap is american propaganda

So are you saying that you think the Heavyweight division is still Boxings premier division?