Has Pac improved since the JMM bouts?

[Dizaster]

Just wondering.... As it's a given that in most discussions, JMM has been the fighter of recent times that gave Pac the most trouble. And that actually a third fight with JMM makes the most sense because of that...

I honestly think at 140 or above Pac would be a LOT more difficult for JMM to match up with.
But completely putting the weight issues aside, do you think he has improved enough to be more competitive (or dominant) against JMM? Obviously confidence would play a part as well, which is sky high for Pac right right now..
But skill wise is the real question...

And on the other side, how do you think JMM has progressed since those fights?


Everyone is talking about a JMM fight making the most sense if you overlook the weight differences, but no one has really talked about whether the fighters are still matched so evenly ability wise.


and fine yes, for the people already thinking it,,, I concede I am slightly sucking Pac's nuts by creating another thread about him in an already abundant first page of Pac threads... This is my first and last I promise, and it's a topic i've yet to see discussed..

[erics44]

pac seems to have improved an unbelieveable amount

he has battered top class p4p professionals 3 or 4 divisions above what he fought jmm at

i think he was very fortunate to get the decision in one of the JMM fights, i cant see JMM getting anywhere near next time

i hope he does tho

[:::PSL:::]

Pacquiao has difinitely improved since the JMM bouts. And he's still not declining as a fighter, he's improving every fight. Pac is more rounded than he used to be. He used to be a one-dimensional fighter. He got away with being one-dimensional because bwoy what a dimension that was! But you cannot survive in the long run with just one dimension (meaning nothing put a forceful left hand). His left hand is dynamite. But now he's hurting, knocking down big guys with his right hook too. What has been impressing me the most though is his footwork and the way he throw accurate combos. His punches are so freaking weird to look at, but they are so precise. He has evolved into a two fisted fighter who can box or slug.

[0james0]

I also feel JMM is now slightly worse

[JonesJrMayweather]

It hard to say because he hasn't faced a fighter with JMM ability that was fighting at optimal weight. So its hard to tell. I think right now its about making as much money as he can, and having him active in the to public. A fight against anyone that will show his lack of improvement vs a fighter like JMM will hurt his appeal as it pertains to setting up

"THE FIGHT" the one that everyone talks about but is tired of talking about.

[The Fightfan]

IMO he has improved ten fold. I am a big Marquez fan and it does hurt for me to say that knowing he should have gotten the nod it at least one of those fights,but a fight right now Pac would destroy Marquez.Pac is more in the range of a junior welter 140 and Marquez is probably more like a 130 fighter fighting at 135. He seems to have a much better right hook that is staggering and his combinations have improved with speed and power. Marquez hasn't really improved on any one thing.

[generalbulldog]

Pac's chin has considerably improved from 130, now to the higher weights. Doesn't need to cut a massive amount of weight and then rehydrate to 145 on fight night. Now it's only 3 or 4 pounds the most.
I don't see JMM rocking him like he did in their last fight if there is a 3rd and final bout at 140.

[Taeth]

I think it's more the fact that he has a huge speed advantage now against guys that stand right, than the fact he improved after the Marquez fight. It' really hard to gauge that because he hasn't faced the same type of opponent. I think in some ways he has improved, but not in the ways that would help him against a pure boxer or JMM.

[Julius Rain]

Just wondering.... As it's a given that in most discussions, JMM has been the fighter of recent times that gave Pac the most trouble. And that actually a third fight with JMM makes the most sense because of that...

I honestly think at 140 or above Pac would be a LOT more difficult for JMM to match up with.
But completely putting the weight issues aside, do you think he has improved enough to be more competitive (or dominant) against JMM? Obviously confidence would play a part as well, which is sky high for Pac right right now..
But skill wise is the real question...

And on the other side, how do you think JMM has progressed since those fights?


Everyone is talking about a JMM fight making the most sense if you overlook the weight differences, but no one has really talked about whether the fighters are still matched so evenly ability wise.


and fine yes, for the people already thinking it,,, I concede I am slightly sucking Pac's nuts by creating another thread about him in an already abundant first page of Pac threads... This is my first and last I promise, and it's a topic i've yet to see discussed..

Dont want to take credit away from JMM but pac reach his prime above the lightweight division. Everybody seem to forget that each time pac fought JMM, he was already suppose to go up in weight. In their last fight, pac granted the fight with JMM before going up in weight.

Besides Morales, JMM had troubled Pac more then anyone in the featherweight division. Most people wouldn't even believe Pac could be successful above the featherweight division back then, but he has hardly lost a round since going above featherweight. Not having to rehydrate and being able to keep his speed and stamina have allowed Pac to renew his arsenal. Attacking from different angles rather then the old Pac who just attacked with speed and power.

In the future, would people consider pac at his greatest below or above lightweight? Some one should make a poll above that.

[fan johnny]

I find it hard to believe that anyone would even have to ask the question. Roach is the first one to say Pacquiao is a completely different fighter since fighting Diaz. He studies film, forms a strategy and works on that game plan in the gym. Before his fight with Diaz he just trained harder to be in better condition. JMM will get destoryed by Pacquiao if they fought today even at 135. JMM can't handle boxers that stay on the outside. Chris John and Floyd Mayweather are perfect examples. Pacquiao no longer just goes into a fight banging away as he did in his last fight with JMM. His new style has prolonged his career. The in and out boxing he now does will frustrate the hell out JMM. If they do meet again and Pacquiao beats the crap out of JMM, people that want Pacquiao to lose, will just say JMM got old. Not that JMM is not old, its just what they will say.