Pac and Marquez are still about the same weight.

[skel1983]

Just thought I would post this as over the last year are so some people seem to think Pac is using PED.

They just cant get there head round him moving up and looking stronger and just as fast, and many times me and people like Ono have stated he hasn't really put lots of weight on in reality.

On saturday night the time JMM entered the ring he weighed 145 lbs Pac a couple of weeks ago entered the ring at 148 lbs he could easily make Lighhtweight and a fight at 147 or 140 or 135 won't really matter if it happens they will besically be the same weight fight night, I think the only dvantage is Pac not having to strip or dehydrate but I honestly don't see it being a problem for him so If I was Roach just to shut the ahters up I would agree to watever weight ( we no this wont be the case, and the fight will happen at 147 if it does.) I honestly think if he lost to Dela Hoya he woud probably be still at 135 but that fight opened up alot of doors at 147 and around that weight.

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Same case with Caballero and Litzau. They are 130 lber but entered the ring 144-145. Gee, they must be on PEDs too huh? Lol.

Anyways, If I was roach I will have Manny to go down at 135 and snatch JMM's belt for 5th lineal title. That'd be fucking orgasmic! (in non gay way).

[Hornfinger]

Same case with Caballero and Litzau. They are 130 lber but entered the ring 144-145. Gee, they must be on PEDs too huh? Lol.

And that's a typical answer from someone who has ABSOLUTLEY NO clue about modern steroids, their uses and their effects.

I wonder if caballero and Ltizau would run screaming from a blood test....

[Fenster]

What were their weights, come fight night, the other two times? I think Marquez should be 2-0 but at 140 or above i'll back Pac to stop him.

[milmascaras1]

psl,

the question is this, will pacquiao risk a loss to the man who manhandled him twice? no, i take that back, pacquiao isn't afraid of fighting anybody, it's his butt buddy freddie roach who handpicks all of pacquiao's "dangerous" foes. and did you notice that bob arum recently said there wouldn't be a third marquez fight but instead are leaning towards fighting shane mosley? true but unbelieveable.

[erics44]

are we having a peds discussion of a JMM v Pac fight discussion?

I think JMM is very very unlucky to have lost both those fights, if they had gone the other way pac would be less unlucky than JMM is if you get what i mean

[TheMacMagician]

are we having a peds discussion of a JMM v Pac fight discussion?

I think JMM is very very unlucky to have lost both those fights, if they had gone the other way pac would be less unlucky than JMM is if you get what i mean

JMM didn't lose both fights. 1 draw 1 loss. The more I read your posts the more I wonder if you have watched the fights. Ha. Its a pretty big one to get wrong considering how much you write about it.

[erics44]

are we having a peds discussion of a JMM v Pac fight discussion?

I think JMM is very very unlucky to have lost both those fights, if they had gone the other way pac would be less unlucky than JMM is if you get what i mean

JMM didn't lose both fights. 1 draw 1 loss. The more I read your posts the more I wonder if you have watched the fights. Ha. Its a pretty big one to get wrong considering how much you write about it.

Ha

yep dude you are right, you obviously are the voice of boxing

I bow to your amazingness

I'm not sure i have commented on JMM v Pac before tho, have I?

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psl,

the question is this, will pacquiao risk a loss to the man who manhandled him twice? no, i take that back, pacquiao isn't afraid of fighting anybody, it's his butt buddy freddie roach who handpicks all of pacquiao's "dangerous" foes. and did you notice that bob arum recently said there wouldn't be a third marquez fight but instead are leaning towards fighting shane mosley? true but unbelieveable.

Lol. If JMM manhandled Pac twice, then how come Juanita is the one who's crying for a third match? JMM is obviously horing and he's willing risk his life for it. Most fightfans want to see a competitive fight. Do you think we will see that in Pac-JMM 3? Do you think Pac fighting Mosely is more of a cakewalk than Pac fighting JMM for a third tme?

[milmascaras1]

psl,

marquez is the only fighter who can give pacquiao fits. it's funny how pactardo fans never mention that the vast majority of pinoy sportswriters, philippine government officials and even your very own, nonito donaire thought marquez beat pacquiao in their rematch. most international boxing writers and U.S. boxing writers thought marquez beat pacquiao TWICE. and now you're saying marquez would be no match for pacquiao? don't be so ignorant. styles make fights and marquez has the perfect style to beat pacquiao. it's clearly becoming evident that team pacquiao is nothing more than a fraud and a fake. oh, sure, don't fight marquez cause he's old but they will fight mosley at 39 years old? besides, marquez isn't washed up like mosley. mosley is absolutely done as a legitimate championship fighter now. it's been evident that team pacquiao picks on fighters who will give them the least amount of resistance. and watch roach demand that mosley come in at a catchweight. it's bound to happen again. marquez is still a very formidable opponent for pacquiao. maybe that's why most of you pactardos don't want another marquez fight because if it wasn't for those corrupt judges, marquez would have beaten your anointed one twice.

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psl,

marquez is the only fighter who can give pacquiao fits. it's funny how pactardo fans never mention that the vast majority of pinoy sportswriters, philippine government officials and even your very own, nonito donaire thought marquez beat pacquiao in their rematch. most international boxing writers and U.S. boxing writers thought marquez beat pacquiao TWICE. and now you're saying marquez would be no match for pacquiao? don't be so ignorant. styles make fights and marquez has the perfect style to beat pacquiao. it's clearly becoming evident that team pacquiao is nothing more than a fraud and a fake. oh, sure, don't fight marquez cause he's old but they will fight mosley at 39 years old? besides, marquez isn't washed up like mosley. mosley is absolutely done as a legitimate championship fighter now. it's been evident that team pacquiao picks on fighters who will give them the least amount of resistance. and watch roach demand that mosley come in at a catchweight. it's bound to happen again. marquez is still a very formidable opponent for pacquiao. maybe that's why most of you pactardos don't want another marquez fight because if it wasn't for those corrupt judges, marquez would have beaten your anointed one twice.

Hahaa! "Philippine goverment officials" he says. Them against 80 million Filipinos, non-filipino, and official judges who thinks it was the right decision. The decision could have gone either way, kodus to both of them. But you have to understand that it's always hard to avoid controversy with a razor thin verdict like that.

True, styles make fights. But check this out though. Marquez, as great as he is, is no longer on the same level as Manny. If you don't see it that way, then you're a hater. Pac simply evolved into a juggernaut beyond the lightweight division. Pac would slauther him above 135.

Pac has won all fights he had over the 135-lb limit, all of which are against heavier and bigger opponents. In contrast, Marquez only has one showing beyond the lightweight limit and that was a losing, looking like shit against Floyd.

[ono]

What were their weights, come fight night, the other two times? I think Marquez should be 2-0 but at 140 or above i'll back Pac to stop him.

Over the last 4 years Pac's on the night weights have increased by a total of 5lbs, but in that period of time he's fought in 5 different weight classes. He weighed in at 144lbs against Morales in 06, and weighed in at 149 against Clottey. That's the lowest and the highest he's gone.

When Pacquiao and Marquez fought in 08, Pacquiao had a 4lb advantage on the night.

As for Marquez being ineffective at 135, i can only point to the fact that he's actually stopped Katsidis, Diaz and Casamayor at 135. People talk about the competitiveness of the fights as an indicator of Marquez not being solid at that weight, but i think that is more down to how he has chosen to fight. Toe to toe mainly, and it's worked because he has stopped all 3 opponents. When he ventured above 135 he fought Mayweather. Mayweather is exceptional. I'd give Marquez a great shot at anyone at 140.

[amat]

What were their weights, come fight night, the other two times? I think Marquez should be 2-0 but at 140 or above i'll back Pac to stop him.

Over the last 4 years Pac's on the night weights have increased by a total of 5lbs, but in that period of time he's fought in 5 different weight classes. He weighed in at 144lbs against Morales in 06, and weighed in at 149 against Clottey. That's the lowest and the highest he's gone.

When Pacquiao and Marquez fought in 08, Pacquiao had a 4lb advantage on the night.

As for Marquez being ineffective at 135, i can only point to the fact that he's actually stopped Katsidis, Diaz and Casamayor at 135. People talk about the competitiveness of the fights as an indicator of Marquez not being solid at that weight, but i think that is more down to how he has chosen to fight. Toe to toe mainly, and it's worked because he has stopped all 3 opponents. When he ventured above 135 he fought Mayweather. Mayweather is exceptional. I'd give Marquez a great shot at anyone at 140.

Thank you, perfect post. Marquez makes incredibly exciting fights and while I don't think he should venture above 135 (I don't like guys chasing fights at other weights, I'd rather them just clean up 1 division and stay there) to say Pac would slaughter him is just....foolish. Pacquiao is not that much of a different fighter at the higher weights he's just fighting different guys. Marquez is always going to give Pacquiao fits, always!

[Fenster]

What were their weights, come fight night, the other two times? I think Marquez should be 2-0 but at 140 or above i'll back Pac to stop him.

Over the last 4 years Pac's on the night weights have increased by a total of 5lbs, but in that period of time he's fought in 5 different weight classes. He weighed in at 144lbs against Morales in 06, and weighed in at 149 against Clottey. That's the lowest and the highest he's gone.

When Pacquiao and Marquez fought in 08, Pacquiao had a 4lb advantage on the night.

As for Marquez being ineffective at 135, i can only point to the fact that he's actually stopped Katsidis, Diaz and Casamayor at 135. People talk about the competitiveness of the fights as an indicator of Marquez not being solid at that weight, but i think that is more down to how he has chosen to fight. Toe to toe mainly, and it's worked because he has stopped all 3 opponents. When he ventured above 135 he fought Mayweather. Mayweather is exceptional. I'd give Marquez a great shot at anyone at 140.

Who said Marquez was ineffective at 135? ()

I don't think Marquez will be ineffective at 140 or above. I'd back him against certain world-class fighters at those weights.

However, even allowing for the interesting weight comparison, I think Pac has improved (surprised people think he hasn't. just the experience alone of slaughtering much bigger world-class fighters must have done wonders for him) and looks much more solid up in weight. I wouldn't hesitate in backing him over Marquez now.

[Rantcatrat]

What were their weights, come fight night, the other two times? I think Marquez should be 2-0 but at 140 or above i'll back Pac to stop him.

Over the last 4 years Pac's on the night weights have increased by a total of 5lbs, but in that period of time he's fought in 5 different weight classes. He weighed in at 144lbs against Morales in 06, and weighed in at 149 against Clottey. That's the lowest and the highest he's gone.

When Pacquiao and Marquez fought in 08, Pacquiao had a 4lb advantage on the night.

As for Marquez being ineffective at 135, i can only point to the fact that he's actually stopped Katsidis, Diaz and Casamayor at 135. People talk about the competitiveness of the fights as an indicator of Marquez not being solid at that weight, but i think that is more down to how he has chosen to fight. Toe to toe mainly, and it's worked because he has stopped all 3 opponents. When he ventured above 135 he fought Mayweather. Mayweather is exceptional. I'd give Marquez a great shot at anyone at 140.

Who said Marquez was ineffective at 135? ()

I don't think Marquez will be ineffective at 140 or above. I'd back him against certain world-class fighters at those weights.

However, even allowing for the interesting weight comparison, I think Pac has improved (surprised people think he hasn't. just the experience alone of slaughtering much bigger world-class fighters must have done wonders for him) and looks much more solid up in weight. I wouldn't hesitate in backing him over Marquez now.

Agreed.

Consider this - who would you favor in fights between Marquez and Pac's recent opponents (Clottey at 147, Cotto at 147, Hatton at 140)?