De La Hoya: Pacquiao makes fighters lose on the scales 1st

[generalbulldog]

De La Hoya: Pacquiao Forces Boxers To Lose on The Scale - Boxing News

According to Oscar, Pacquiao makes fighters lose on the scale first. He said Pacquiao forced him to move down to 147 and other opponents. He also is pushing for a 3rd fight with JMM at a preferred catchweight of 142 or 144 and that Marquez beat Pacquiao twice. He says it's the right thing for Pac to accomodate JMM and fight at a CW.


My thoughts are that Oscar is right, he never made any demands in his fight or to gain an advantage. I mean Oscar never made any demands for catchweights (Hopkins 156 for lineal MW title) or make opponents climb up in weight (Genaro Hernandez, Floyd and Pac) to fight him ever in his career. Oscar always maintained a fair and even playing field.

[Kev]

Fuck Oscar seriously. All that happened was Manny moved up two divisions (actually three if you don't count his single fight at lightweight) and Oscar moved down one.

It was no different to Sugar Shane moving back down from 154 to 147 at the same time as Oscar to fight Luis Collazo and Cotto etc.

Mosley managed it, Oscar didn't.

Tough. I guess sometimes even a saint must lose.

[Kev]

You also got to love the irony of Oscar claiming he's been picked on by a superfeatherweight.


Oscar chose the tiny pacman to move up three weight classes for what most thought (including him obviously) a ridiculously one sided fight in favour of the Golden Boy, where Oscar would make an obscene amount of money beating up on a little featherweight.

It backfired, in a truly epic way, and the Pacquaio legend was born. Since then he's been on a tear up, and Oscar has now rewrote history in his head and made out it was Manny being unfair.

Such a tool.

[Gandalf]

I hate all these catchweights and wish Manny would stop playing games with them, but having said that DLH should be the last person to be criticising Manny on this.

Cotto at 145 was unfair, but Cotto should have turned it down. Likewise, I hope Marquez sees sense and stays away from Pac if it is anything above 140. It is just not worth it. At 37 he cannot handle the weight like the younger Manny can. Marquez is a naturally smaller fighter.

[Kev]

I hate all these catchweights and wish Manny would stop playing games with them, but having said that DLH should be the last person to be criticising Manny on this.

Cotto at 145 was unfair, but Cotto should have turned it down. Likewise, I hope Marquez sees sense and stays away from Pac if it is anything above 140. It is just not worth it. At 37 he cannot handle the weight like the younger Manny can. Marquez is a naturally smaller fighter.

Was it really relevant though? Cotto only weighed 146 for his fight against Joshua Clottey.

I don't really called losing a single pound a deal breaker. I know (as AdamGB will doubtless explain to me) a certain point below which fighters cannot drop, but 145 isn't it for Cotto. He has come up from the lower weights and weighed as low as 136 against Mallignaggi in June 2006.

Cotto would have got massacred catchweight or not, and only would have weighed a pound more.

The idea that Manny always fights at catchweight is completely overblown. Oscar wasn't a catchweight, it was at 147. Hatton wasn't at catchweight, it was at junior welter, Ricky's weight class. Clottey wasn't at catchweight either, it was at welter. Margarito was at 150 lbs but I don't see how this was at a detriment to Margarito considered he weighed under 146 against Shane Mosley only two fights previously.


Critics and moaners will always exist, but what Manny has done has been sensational.

[Ant Live]

WBC should change there name to PAC.
Rules was made, and weight divisions in place. But if he's the bigger name and the money draw, he gets to make the rules I guess. I'll catchweight Manny at 135 for a big payday and I weight 220.

[Gandalf]

I hate all these catchweights and wish Manny would stop playing games with them, but having said that DLH should be the last person to be criticising Manny on this.

Cotto at 145 was unfair, but Cotto should have turned it down. Likewise, I hope Marquez sees sense and stays away from Pac if it is anything above 140. It is just not worth it. At 37 he cannot handle the weight like the younger Manny can. Marquez is a naturally smaller fighter.

Was it really relevant though? Cotto only weighed 146 for his fight against Joshua Clottey.

I don't really called losing a single pound a deal breaker. I know (as AdamGB will doubtless explain to me) a certain point below which fighters cannot drop, but 145 isn't it for Cotto. He has come up from the lower weights and weighed as low as 136 against Mallignaggi in June 2006.

Cotto would have got massacred catchweight or not, and only would have weighed a pound more.

The idea that Manny always fights at catchweight is completely overblown. Oscar wasn't a catchweight, it was at 147. Hatton wasn't at catchweight, it was at junior welter, Ricky's weight class. Clottey wasn't at catchweight either, it was at welter. Margarito was at 150 lbs but I don't see how this was at a detriment to Margarito considered he weighed under 146 against Shane Mosley only two fights previously.


Critics and moaners will always exist, but what Manny has done has been sensational.

If it wasn't relevant then why was it there? I'm sure it wasn't Cotto begging to come in at 145. The fight should have been at 147 with no questions asked. WW was a weight that Cotto had grown into. They also suggested ages back that they would only fight Mosley if he could boil down to 142. As if Mosley could ever make 142.

The DLH fight was old orange faces fault, so no blame can be put at Manny's door. And I agree that the Margarito catchweight was less questionable, it was certainly no advantage for Manny. That was a strange one.

I would just like to see title fights at the correct weights. I don't really see the need for CW's and I certainly see no reason why the worlds best fighter should be looking for little short cuts so that his nights work can be even easier.

Suggesting Marquez go anywhere north of JWW is extremely arrogant and disrespectful considering that Manny was extremely lucky to get the nod in that last fight. Manny is the one with something to prove so to stop the fight with demands before it even starts is unfair. At least offer the fans something credible like with the DLH fight. Let Manny come down a division and let Marquez go up one and meet at JWW. Anything more is just being greedy and stopping the potential of a great fight before it even starts. Marquez hasn't proven he can fight at the higher weights and Manny has shown no good reason why he couldn't make JWW.

[Kev]

I hate all these catchweights and wish Manny would stop playing games with them, but having said that DLH should be the last person to be criticising Manny on this.

Cotto at 145 was unfair, but Cotto should have turned it down. Likewise, I hope Marquez sees sense and stays away from Pac if it is anything above 140. It is just not worth it. At 37 he cannot handle the weight like the younger Manny can. Marquez is a naturally smaller fighter.

Was it really relevant though? Cotto only weighed 146 for his fight against Joshua Clottey.

I don't really called losing a single pound a deal breaker. I know (as AdamGB will doubtless explain to me) a certain point below which fighters cannot drop, but 145 isn't it for Cotto. He has come up from the lower weights and weighed as low as 136 against Mallignaggi in June 2006.

Cotto would have got massacred catchweight or not, and only would have weighed a pound more.

The idea that Manny always fights at catchweight is completely overblown. Oscar wasn't a catchweight, it was at 147. Hatton wasn't at catchweight, it was at junior welter, Ricky's weight class. Clottey wasn't at catchweight either, it was at welter. Margarito was at 150 lbs but I don't see how this was at a detriment to Margarito considered he weighed under 146 against Shane Mosley only two fights previously.


Critics and moaners will always exist, but what Manny has done has been sensational.

If it wasn't relevant then why was it there? I'm sure it wasn't Cotto begging to come in at 145. The fight should have been at 147 with no questions asked. WW was a weight that Cotto had grown into. They also suggested ages back that they would only fight Mosley if he could boil down to 142. As if Mosley could ever make 142.

The DLH fight was old orange faces fault, so no blame can be put at Manny's door. And I agree that the Margarito catchweight was less questionable, it was certainly no advantage for Manny. That was a strange one.

I would just like to see title fights at the correct weights. I don't really see the need for CW's and I certainly see no reason why the worlds best fighter should be looking for little short cuts so that his nights work can be even easier.

Suggesting Marquez go anywhere north of JWW is extremely arrogant and disrespectful considering that Manny was extremely lucky to get the nod in that last fight. Manny is the one with something to prove so to stop the fight with demands before it even starts is unfair. At least offer the fans something credible like with the DLH fight. Let Manny come down a division and let Marquez go up one and meet at JWW. Anything more is just being greedy and stopping the potential of a great fight before it even starts. Marquez hasn't proven he can fight at the higher weights and Manny has shown no good reason why he couldn't make JWW.

So what you are saying is that when a fighter drops weight to meet Manny, they are at a disadvantage, and when a fighter must gain weight to fight Manny they are equally disadvantaged. The only fair solution is that Manny must yoyo up and down the divisions, no catchweights to beat all his challengers, even though he is the prize and the big payday.

Maybe he should be forced to wear lead boots as well, or have one arm tied behind his back if he starts to dominate the early rounds?

Also how is Manny the one with something to prove? Since beating Marquez he has won world titles in four more weight classes and is the p4p best fighter in the world. I have never met anyone with as blinkered a view on things as you Miles. You are the most biased person I've ever met!

[erics44]

I hate all these catchweights and wish Manny would stop playing games with them, but having said that DLH should be the last person to be criticising Manny on this.

Cotto at 145 was unfair, but Cotto should have turned it down. Likewise, I hope Marquez sees sense and stays away from Pac if it is anything above 140. It is just not worth it. At 37 he cannot handle the weight like the younger Manny can. Marquez is a naturally smaller fighter.

Was it really relevant though? Cotto only weighed 146 for his fight against Joshua Clottey.

I don't really called losing a single pound a deal breaker. I know (as AdamGB will doubtless explain to me) a certain point below which fighters cannot drop, but 145 isn't it for Cotto. He has come up from the lower weights and weighed as low as 136 against Mallignaggi in June 2006.

Cotto would have got massacred catchweight or not, and only would have weighed a pound more.

The idea that Manny always fights at catchweight is completely overblown. Oscar wasn't a catchweight, it was at 147. Hatton wasn't at catchweight, it was at junior welter, Ricky's weight class. Clottey wasn't at catchweight either, it was at welter. Margarito was at 150 lbs but I don't see how this was at a detriment to Margarito considered he weighed under 146 against Shane Mosley only two fights previously.


Critics and moaners will always exist, but what Manny has done has been sensational.

if that was the case then why bother?

it has put question marks over the win for pac against cotto but if they were just arguing over 1 pound then it hardly seems worth it

[Stale_hotdog]

Just a bunch of horseshit coming out of Oscars mouth as usual. What was that crap about him feeling faster moving down to 147 on 24/7. He was still the A side fighter in their match up he had the lions share. He made Manny move up two divisions they didn't fight at a catch weight they fought at the welterweight limit. It's so typical of him just like the crap he said about the negotiations with the mayweather pacquaio fight. "Oh I just said there were negotiations to get the media off my back." I liked the fighter De La Hoya was but the promoter De La Hoya is an asshat.

[generalbulldog]

Oscar is a legend and has done great things for the sport, but never in Oscar's career where he was forced to do anything he didn't want. He was always the A-side of boxing and had advantages in his favor whether it's money, weight class, ring size, glove size, etc.

[THE THIRD MAN]

De La Hoya: Pacquiao Forces Boxers To Lose on The Scale - Boxing News

According to Oscar, Pacquiao makes fighters lose on the scale first. He said Pacquiao forced him to move down to 147 and other opponents. He also is pushing for a 3rd fight with JMM at a preferred catchweight of 142 or 144 and that Marquez beat Pacquiao twice. He says it's the right thing for Pac to accomodate JMM and fight at a CW.


My thoughts are that Oscar is right, he never made any demands in his fight or to gain an advantage. I mean Oscar never made any demands for catchweights (Hopkins 156 for lineal MW title) or make opponents climb up in weight (Genaro Hernandez, Floyd and Pac) to fight him ever in his career. Oscar always maintained a fair and even playing field.

Oscar agreed to fight at 147lb then foolishly over trained and drained himself by weighing 141lb a month out from the fight. His body was a wreck come fight night, i don't see how that's Pacquiao's fault? IMO another Marquez fight would be disastrous for JMM at this time, granted he was unlucky in two previous fights, remember he was almost blasted away inside 3 minutes in the first one. Marquez is not the fighter he was 5 years ago, Pacquiao has improved considerably. Pac beats Marquez easily in fight 3.

[TitoFan]

1. Get rid of catchweights. Boxing has enough weight divisions as it is. If you can't make the weight in one division, move to another... the way it's ALWAYS been done.

2. Nobody forces anybody else to fight at a catchweight. If you do it and lose, it's your own damn fault (and your promoter's as well).

3. ODLH is a little bitch. Doesn't surprise me that he'd be the one making a big deal out of this. No one else has. Take your beating like a man and move on.

4. What Pacquiao has done is nothing short of amazing... catchweights or no catchweights. He's increased his body mass by 50% and has beaten champions at much higher weights than he started out as. If he's doing drugs... no one has proven it yet. Innocent until proven guilty.

5. ODLH is a little bitch. Oh... I'm sorry... did I do that one already?


LMAO. He tried to spear a little piranha to put on his trophy case, and got chewed down to the bone for his troubles. His triumphant ride into the sunset turned into: "Who, me go out there again?? Are you out of your freaking mind??"

[miron_lang]

I like Dan Rafael's solution

Manny defend his WBO Welterweight title againts Marquez 1st half of 2011. We all know Manny will come in at 144 JMM at 142... Figthtnight Pac@148 JMM@146 ( Very likely )

Mosley fights Berto in the undercard. If Mosley wins his stock rises by beating a young undefeated Champion. If Berto wins his stock rises, he'll add the biggest name in his CV that will surely add to his popularity as Mosley been with Oscar and Floyd.

Pac fights the winner (Assuming he wins againts JMM) 2nd half of 2011.


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Its sounds like a fantasy

[Gandalf]

I like Dan Rafael's solution

Manny defend his WBO Welterweight title againts Marquez 1st half of 2011. We all know Manny will come in at 144 JMM at 142... Figthtnight Pac@148 JMM@146 ( Very likely )

Mosley fights Berto in the undercard. If Mosley wins his stock rises by beating a young undefeated Champion. If Berto wins his stock rises, he'll add the biggest name in his CV that will surely add to his popularity as Mosley been with Oscar and Floyd.

Pac fights the winner (Assuming he wins againts JMM) 2nd half of 2011.


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Its sounds like a fantasy

It is insane to ask Marquez to jump two weight divisions at 37. If Pacquiao gets the win then he also gets no credit. Mayweather got no credit for doing this to Marquez and neither should Manny. The only way to make it half way fair is to have Pac come down to 140 and ask Marquez to make the leap to 140. Otherwise we are heading into Pac/DLH territory where most of us thought it was a mismatch and Marquez at this stage in his career, as good as he is, is unlikely to make that transition, more so with us all having seen the Mayweather fight.