Haye's career defining fights.

[Darth_Simasu]

1) Jean Marc Mormeck

2) John Ruiz

3) Nikolay Valuev

Yes David you really can 'hold your head up high' if the Klitchsko fights don't go ahead before you hide behind your grand old age of 31 years.

What a joke, he's nothing but a celebrity boxer who's conning the public the same way Ricky Hatton did but on a larger scale. Atleast Ricky did love boxing and had career defining fights.

[Gandalf]

He is a businessman and long ago realised that the public were mugs. Valuev was a paper champion who should have lost his belt earlier and since then Haye has simply gone for the easiest target for the biggest reward. An ancient Ruiz and a god awful Audley Harrison. Hardly awe inspiring. Sure, Haye can retire right now as a rather wealthy man, but as a great boxer? No, if he doesn't fight a Klit, then he goes down as all smoke and mirrors at HW.

Haye has no way of escaping that no matter how much he tries to delude himself, but just maybe he doesn't care about any of that. He seems to like talking more than fighting anyway.

[bzkfn]

1) Jean Marc Mormeck

2) John Ruiz

3) Nikolay Valuev

Yes David you really can 'hold your head up high' if the Klitchsko fights don't go ahead before you hide behind your grand old age of 31 years.

What a joke, he's nothing but a celebrity boxer who's conning the public the same way Ricky Hatton did but on a larger scale. Atleast Ricky did love boxing and had career defining fights.

And Wlad's career defining fights are better? They need each other for f*cks sake. Fact is, neither of them has faced an opponent more dangerous than the other.

[Memphis]

Lets not make this about Wlad V Haye or it becomes just another slanging match between Lyle and the sensible people.

Lets see this thread for what it is, shite.

[Fenster]

In pro boxing, let's face it, the name of the game is how much you make - not how many honours won. - Reg Gutteridge

[Darth_Simasu]

In pro boxing, let's face it, the name of the game is how much you make - not how many honours won. - Reg Gutteridge

What a shame boxers such as Haye happily embrace this philosophy to the detrement of the sport and its fans. Thank God for Carl Froch and Amir Khan, never thought I'd say that in my life.

[Gandalf]

In pro boxing, let's face it, the name of the game is how much you make - not how many honours won. - Reg Gutteridge

What a shame boxers such as Haye happily embrace this philosophy to the detrement of the sport and its fans. Thank God for Carl Froch and Amir Khan, never thought I'd say that in my life.

I totally agree and it isn't often I have nice things to say about Khan. He does at least fight on a regular basis. Can't knock him for that. Froch is just brilliant. He's really grown on me over the years and that's because he will take on whoever.

[Gandalf]

1) Jean Marc Mormeck

2) John Ruiz

3) Nikolay Valuev

Yes David you really can 'hold your head up high' if the Klitchsko fights don't go ahead before you hide behind your grand old age of 31 years.

What a joke, he's nothing but a celebrity boxer who's conning the public the same way Ricky Hatton did but on a larger scale. Atleast Ricky did love boxing and had career defining fights.

And Wlad's career defining fights are better? They need each other for f*cks sake. Fact is, neither of them has faced an opponent more dangerous than the other.

Wlad has had far more significant fights than Haye at HW. Ibragimov, Peter, Chambers, Chagaev, Byrd and even ahem Rahman are better fighters than anyone Haye has faced at HW IMO. Haye is all flash at HW so far and beyond picking up the belt hasn't beaten anyone of the same age or in their prime. He appears to be dangerous, but aside from beating Valuev has done nothing to even deserve a shot at Wlad really. Haye fights once, perhaps twice a year and and since moving up hasn't even been in against top fighters. He hasn't attempted to fight any of the fighters Wlad has and we could even put Adamek, Arreola and Povetkin into the pot too.

Haye was a good cruiserweight, although not particularly disposed to regular ring action, but at HW he has been a bit of a fraud thus far and recent quality of opposition has been extremely mediocre.

[bzkfn]

1) Jean Marc Mormeck

2) John Ruiz

3) Nikolay Valuev

Yes David you really can 'hold your head up high' if the Klitchsko fights don't go ahead before you hide behind your grand old age of 31 years.

What a joke, he's nothing but a celebrity boxer who's conning the public the same way Ricky Hatton did but on a larger scale. Atleast Ricky did love boxing and had career defining fights.

And Wlad's career defining fights are better? They need each other for f*cks sake. Fact is, neither of them has faced an opponent more dangerous than the other.

Wlad has had far more significant fights than Haye at HW. Ibragimov, Peter, Chambers, Chagaev, Byrd and even ahem Rahman are better fighters than anyone Haye has faced at HW IMO. Haye is all flash at HW so far and beyond picking up the belt hasn't beaten anyone of the same age or in their prime. He appears to be dangerous, but aside from beating Valuev has done nothing to even deserve a shot at Wlad really. Haye fights once, perhaps twice a year and and since moving up hasn't even been in against top fighters. He hasn't attempted to fight any of the fighters Wlad has and we could even put Adamek, Arreola and Povetkin into the pot too.

Haye was a good cruiserweight, although not particularly disposed to regular ring action, but at HW he has been a bit of a fraud thus far and recent quality of opposition has been extremely mediocre.

Lets be clear though, each of his Heavyweight opponents barring Monte Barrett have been business decisions. Valuev was offering more money than Vitali or Haye, so he fought for that version of the heavyweight title. Winning it was a bargaining chip for more money with the Klitschko's so he had to fight Ruiz (mandatory) or he'd have been stripped of said bargaining chip. Then he fought Harrison because it was no risk and massive financial reward. Harrison didn't deserve it, but it was an easy payday. That isn't avoidence, that is purely refusing to fight for a smaller slice of pay.

[Gandalf]

1) Jean Marc Mormeck

2) John Ruiz

3) Nikolay Valuev

Yes David you really can 'hold your head up high' if the Klitchsko fights don't go ahead before you hide behind your grand old age of 31 years.

What a joke, he's nothing but a celebrity boxer who's conning the public the same way Ricky Hatton did but on a larger scale. Atleast Ricky did love boxing and had career defining fights.

And Wlad's career defining fights are better? They need each other for f*cks sake. Fact is, neither of them has faced an opponent more dangerous than the other.

Wlad has had far more significant fights than Haye at HW. Ibragimov, Peter, Chambers, Chagaev, Byrd and even ahem Rahman are better fighters than anyone Haye has faced at HW IMO. Haye is all flash at HW so far and beyond picking up the belt hasn't beaten anyone of the same age or in their prime. He appears to be dangerous, but aside from beating Valuev has done nothing to even deserve a shot at Wlad really. Haye fights once, perhaps twice a year and and since moving up hasn't even been in against top fighters. He hasn't attempted to fight any of the fighters Wlad has and we could even put Adamek, Arreola and Povetkin into the pot too.

Haye was a good cruiserweight, although not particularly disposed to regular ring action, but at HW he has been a bit of a fraud thus far and recent quality of opposition has been extremely mediocre.

Lets be clear though, each of his Heavyweight opponents barring Monte Barrett have been business decisions. Valuev was offering more money than Vitali or Haye, so he fought for that version of the heavyweight title. Winning it was a bargaining chip for more money with the Klitschko's so he had to fight Ruiz (mandatory) or he'd have been stripped of said bargaining chip. Then he fought Harrison because it was no risk and massive financial reward. Harrison didn't deserve it, but it was an easy payday. That isn't avoidence, that is purely refusing to fight for a smaller slice of pay.

It doesn't escape the fact that Wlad has beaten far more significant names than Haye has though. Like I say, Harrison might have been good for business and winning a belt against Valuev was practical, but beyond talking a lot, it isn't so much his in ring action that has led to the demand for a Wlad fight. I really don't think it matters so much if Wlad doesn't fight Haye as he has beaten names and been champ a long time, but it really does matter to Hayes legacy as a fighter with only 2 dozen fights and a lack of credible big name opponents on his resume.

[Gandalf]

But don't get me wrong, of course I want to see the fight as much as anyone else. I just think Wlad has a far stronger resume that's all.

[bzkfn]

1) Jean Marc Mormeck

2) John Ruiz

3) Nikolay Valuev

Yes David you really can 'hold your head up high' if the Klitchsko fights don't go ahead before you hide behind your grand old age of 31 years.

What a joke, he's nothing but a celebrity boxer who's conning the public the same way Ricky Hatton did but on a larger scale. Atleast Ricky did love boxing and had career defining fights.

And Wlad's career defining fights are better? They need each other for f*cks sake. Fact is, neither of them has faced an opponent more dangerous than the other.

Wlad has had far more significant fights than Haye at HW. Ibragimov, Peter, Chambers, Chagaev, Byrd and even ahem Rahman are better fighters than anyone Haye has faced at HW IMO. Haye is all flash at HW so far and beyond picking up the belt hasn't beaten anyone of the same age or in their prime. He appears to be dangerous, but aside from beating Valuev has done nothing to even deserve a shot at Wlad really. Haye fights once, perhaps twice a year and and since moving up hasn't even been in against top fighters. He hasn't attempted to fight any of the fighters Wlad has and we could even put Adamek, Arreola and Povetkin into the pot too.

Haye was a good cruiserweight, although not particularly disposed to regular ring action, but at HW he has been a bit of a fraud thus far and recent quality of opposition has been extremely mediocre.

Lets be clear though, each of his Heavyweight opponents barring Monte Barrett have been business decisions. Valuev was offering more money than Vitali or Haye, so he fought for that version of the heavyweight title. Winning it was a bargaining chip for more money with the Klitschko's so he had to fight Ruiz (mandatory) or he'd have been stripped of said bargaining chip. Then he fought Harrison because it was no risk and massive financial reward. Harrison didn't deserve it, but it was an easy payday. That isn't avoidence, that is purely refusing to fight for a smaller slice of pay.

It doesn't escape the fact that Wlad has beaten far more significant names than Haye has though. Like I say, Harrison might have been good for business and winning a belt against Valuev was practical, but beyond talking a lot, it isn't so much his in ring action that has led to the demand for a Wlad fight. I really don't think it matters so much if Wlad doesn't fight Haye as he has beaten names and been champ a long time, but it really does matter to Hayes legacy as a fighter with only 2 dozen fights and a lack of credible big name opponents on his resume.

I disagree. The names you mentioned on Wlad's record are hardly career defining fights. I would also suggest some of those names you mentioned are not better than Valuev or Ruiz. No way is a shot Hasim Rahman a more career defining fight than either of those 2 names. Chambers isn't much either. Chagaev is likely next for Haye so really I'm not seeing how Wlad is so much better. Not one name on his record is considered a more dangerous opponent to him than David Haye. They need each other.

[Fenster]

Froch and Khan do exactly the same as Haye and every other boxer on the planet - take the best monetary deal. Simple as that.

Only boxing nerds care about resumes. Haye is a multi-millionaire two weight "world" champion and A-list star in Britain. That is what you call success.

[smashup]

1) Jean Marc Mormeck

2) John Ruiz

3) Nikolay Valuev

Yes David you really can 'hold your head up high' if the Klitchsko fights don't go ahead before you hide behind your grand old age of 31 years.

What a joke, he's nothing but a celebrity boxer who's conning the public the same way Ricky Hatton did but on a larger scale. Atleast Ricky did love boxing and had career defining fights.

Going To Mormecks backyard, getting up from the deck and winning by TKO didn't impress you?

How many people do that?

He cleaned up the Cruiser division in style imo, battering every opponent he faced (Bar Thompson).

I was ringside for the Fragomenni fight when he was cut badly and dug deep to get a tko in a tough , tough fight.

That showed he had a pair

And is it his fault the Heavyweight division is shit?

He's never ducked anyone and so what if he made a few quid fighting Audrey...

Is clear for everyone to see that the Klit Bros are doing everything possible to avoid a fight with him.

So in your opinion who is there for him to fight out there that would be defining?

Take Vitali and Wlad out the division for a minute

Exactly!

[Darth_Simasu]

1) Jean Marc Mormeck

2) John Ruiz

3) Nikolay Valuev

Yes David you really can 'hold your head up high' if the Klitchsko fights don't go ahead before you hide behind your grand old age of 31 years.

What a joke, he's nothing but a celebrity boxer who's conning the public the same way Ricky Hatton did but on a larger scale. Atleast Ricky did love boxing and had career defining fights.

Going To Mormecks backyard, getting up from the deck and winning by TKO didn't impress you?

How many people do that?

He cleaned up the Cruiser division in style imo, battering every opponent he faced (Bar Thompson).

I was ringside for the Fragomenni fight when he was cut badly and dug deep to get a tko in a tough , tough fight.

That showed he had a pair

And is it his fault the Heavyweight division is shit?

He's never ducked anyone and so what if he made a few quid fighting Audrey...

Is clear for everyone to see that the Klit Bros are doing everything possible to avoid a fight with him.

So in your opinion who is there for him to fight out there that would be defining?

Take Vitali and Wlad out the division for a minute

Exactly!

The result of the Mormec fight surprised me more than it impressed me. What has Mormec ever really done before or after the Haye fight? Nothing worthy of a mention. Haye ruled a very weak cruiserweight division for a short time let's not forget that. Haye could've fought several fighter's to grab my attention by now such as Adamek, Chaegev, Arreola, Peter, Chambers or even Chisora. I'll let him off for the Valuev and Ruiz fights because Valuev was the easiest option to become a champion and in Ruiz he was fighting the mandatory for the belt. It still doesn't excuse his inactivity and he clearly only uses boxing as his ticket to fame. A more admirable approach than your average big brother contestant but for a boxing fan (as opposed to 'nerd' which I was earlier labelled) he's part of the reason boxing is not the sport it once was.