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    Given the fight this coming weekend I thought I'd take a crack at putting Manny in some sort of historical perspective. One way to do that is to find fighter's whose resumes share major characteristics with Manny's I think there are two at the top of the list. But before we look at those two let me outline what I think are Manny's major accomplishments. Not in any order

    1. Has won THE MAN championships in four divisions (in an era of 17 of them)
    2. Has defeated highly ranked fighters across five of the original divisions and ten of today's
    3. One of only 5-6 teenage champions in history
    4. Has probably defeated HOFers on 5-7 occasions
    5. Has over 50 wins

    Now let's look at two guys from yesteryear.

    Jimmy McLarnin-What does he share with Manny?
    1. Defeated top ranked fighters from 112-147
    2. Carried his power so well he won the undisputed 147 crown with a KO1. (Musta been the steroids)
    3. Began as a teenager
    4. Fifty or so career wins
    5. Wins over HOFers on 10+ occasions

    McLarnin is usually in folks top fifty all-time but not often above 30 or so. Here's the other guy.

    Tony Canzoneri-What does he share with Manny?
    1. Defeated top ranked fighters from 118-147
    2. Was undisputed champion at 126, 135 and 140. Got a draw fighting for the undisputed 118 crown as a teenager. This was in a time of only ten divisions.
    3. Carried his power so well he won the 135 crown with a KO1 and the 140 crown with a KO3. (Musta been the steroids)
    4. Defeated HOFers on 10+ occasions
    5. An unbelievable athlete who fought with his hands at his waist and his jaw thrust forward. He'd try to get you to throw and then counter the bejeezus out of you.
    6. By the time he got to 147 he too was really undersized at 5'4 with a 68" reach.

    Now Canzoneri finished with 137 wins, with over 30 over ranked guys and usually appears ranked in the 25-35 kind of range.

    Just for some perspective on what Manny has done.
    Last edited by marbleheadmaui; 05-06-2011 at 07:17 AM.
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    These guys seem like they were young when greatness began, and we all know once you hit 30ish weight becomes a major factor. I think Manny still has some greatness ahead of him, he seems to be hitting his stride right about now. Look at his photos the guy is seriously cut up.

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    Quote Originally Posted by No Contest View Post
    These guys seem like they were young when greatness began, and we all know once you hit 30ish weight becomes a major factor. I think Manny still has some greatness ahead of him, he seems to be hitting his stride right about now. Look at his photos the guy is seriously cut up.
    I don't think I have ever seen, nor ever been made aware of, a fighter who made such vast technical improvements in his late 20's after 50 pro fights. Just amazing.
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    Still think Edwin valero would have beat him and why isn't he on fight night champion

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    Quote Originally Posted by marbleheadmaui View Post
    Given the fight this coming weekend I thought I'd take a crack at putting Manny in some sort of historical perspective. One way to do that is to find fighter's whose resumes share major characteristics with Manny's I think there are two at the top of the list. But before we look at those two let me outline what I think are Manny's major accomplishments. Not in any order

    1. Has won THE MAN championships in four divisions (in an era of 17 of them)
    2. Has defeated highly ranked fighters across five of the original divisions and ten of today's
    3. One of only 5-6 teenage champions in history
    4. Has probably defeated HOFers on 5-7 occasions
    5. Has over 50 wins

    Now let's look at two guys from yesteryear.

    Jimmy McLarnin-What does he share with Manny?
    1. Defeated top ranked fighters from 112-147
    2. Carried his power so well he won the undisputed 147 crown with a KO1. (Musta been the steroids)
    3. Began as a teenager
    4. Fifty or so career wins
    5. Wins over HOFers on 10+ occasions

    McLarnin is usually in folks top fifty all-time but not often above 30 or so. Here's the other guy.

    Tony Canzoneri-What does he share with Manny?
    1. Defeated top ranked fighters from 118-147
    2. Was undisputed champion at 126, 135 and 140. Got a draw fighting for the undisputed 118 crown as a teenager. This was in a time of only ten divisions.
    3. Carried his power so well he won the 135 crown with a KO1 and the 140 crown with a KO3. (Musta been the steroids)
    4. Defeated HOFers on 10+ occasions
    5. An unbelievable athlete who fought with his hands at his waist and his jaw thrust forward. He'd try to get you to throw and then counter the bejeezus out of you.
    6. By the time he got to 147 he too was really undersized at 5'4 with a 68" reach.

    Now Canzoneri finished with 137 wins, with over 30 over ranked guys and usually appears ranked in the 25-35 kind of range.

    Just for some perspective on what Manny has done.

    How do you rank Manny all time as of now?

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    Quote Originally Posted by miron_lang View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by marbleheadmaui View Post
    Given the fight this coming weekend I thought I'd take a crack at putting Manny in some sort of historical perspective. One way to do that is to find fighter's whose resumes share major characteristics with Manny's I think there are two at the top of the list. But before we look at those two let me outline what I think are Manny's major accomplishments. Not in any order

    1. Has won THE MAN championships in four divisions (in an era of 17 of them)
    2. Has defeated highly ranked fighters across five of the original divisions and ten of today's
    3. One of only 5-6 teenage champions in history
    4. Has probably defeated HOFers on 5-7 occasions
    5. Has over 50 wins

    Now let's look at two guys from yesteryear.

    Jimmy McLarnin-What does he share with Manny?
    1. Defeated top ranked fighters from 112-147
    2. Carried his power so well he won the undisputed 147 crown with a KO1. (Musta been the steroids)
    3. Began as a teenager
    4. Fifty or so career wins
    5. Wins over HOFers on 10+ occasions

    McLarnin is usually in folks top fifty all-time but not often above 30 or so. Here's the other guy.

    Tony Canzoneri-What does he share with Manny?
    1. Defeated top ranked fighters from 118-147
    2. Was undisputed champion at 126, 135 and 140. Got a draw fighting for the undisputed 118 crown as a teenager. This was in a time of only ten divisions.
    3. Carried his power so well he won the 135 crown with a KO1 and the 140 crown with a KO3. (Musta been the steroids)
    4. Defeated HOFers on 10+ occasions
    5. An unbelievable athlete who fought with his hands at his waist and his jaw thrust forward. He'd try to get you to throw and then counter the bejeezus out of you.
    6. By the time he got to 147 he too was really undersized at 5'4 with a 68" reach.

    Now Canzoneri finished with 137 wins, with over 30 over ranked guys and usually appears ranked in the 25-35 kind of range.

    Just for some perspective on what Manny has done.

    How do you rank Manny all time as of now?
    I remember when I join here someone said top 100, around 98. After 2 years here I move him up to 97. Manny's earned it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by generalbulldog View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by miron_lang View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by marbleheadmaui View Post
    Given the fight this coming weekend I thought I'd take a crack at putting Manny in some sort of historical perspective. One way to do that is to find fighter's whose resumes share major characteristics with Manny's I think there are two at the top of the list. But before we look at those two let me outline what I think are Manny's major accomplishments. Not in any order

    1. Has won THE MAN championships in four divisions (in an era of 17 of them)
    2. Has defeated highly ranked fighters across five of the original divisions and ten of today's
    3. One of only 5-6 teenage champions in history
    4. Has probably defeated HOFers on 5-7 occasions
    5. Has over 50 wins

    Now let's look at two guys from yesteryear.

    Jimmy McLarnin-What does he share with Manny?
    1. Defeated top ranked fighters from 112-147
    2. Carried his power so well he won the undisputed 147 crown with a KO1. (Musta been the steroids)
    3. Began as a teenager
    4. Fifty or so career wins
    5. Wins over HOFers on 10+ occasions

    McLarnin is usually in folks top fifty all-time but not often above 30 or so. Here's the other guy.

    Tony Canzoneri-What does he share with Manny?
    1. Defeated top ranked fighters from 118-147
    2. Was undisputed champion at 126, 135 and 140. Got a draw fighting for the undisputed 118 crown as a teenager. This was in a time of only ten divisions.
    3. Carried his power so well he won the 135 crown with a KO1 and the 140 crown with a KO3. (Musta been the steroids)
    4. Defeated HOFers on 10+ occasions
    5. An unbelievable athlete who fought with his hands at his waist and his jaw thrust forward. He'd try to get you to throw and then counter the bejeezus out of you.
    6. By the time he got to 147 he too was really undersized at 5'4 with a 68" reach.

    Now Canzoneri finished with 137 wins, with over 30 over ranked guys and usually appears ranked in the 25-35 kind of range.

    Just for some perspective on what Manny has done.

    How do you rank Manny all time as of now?
    I remember when I join here someone said top 100, around 98. After 2 years here I move him up to 97. Manny's earned it.
    LOL

    I guess its totally about perspective.

    People like Emmanuel Steward, Jim Lampley, larry Merchant etc. have Pac higher than that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by miron_lang View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by marbleheadmaui View Post
    Given the fight this coming weekend I thought I'd take a crack at putting Manny in some sort of historical perspective. One way to do that is to find fighter's whose resumes share major characteristics with Manny's I think there are two at the top of the list. But before we look at those two let me outline what I think are Manny's major accomplishments. Not in any order

    1. Has won THE MAN championships in four divisions (in an era of 17 of them)
    2. Has defeated highly ranked fighters across five of the original divisions and ten of today's
    3. One of only 5-6 teenage champions in history
    4. Has probably defeated HOFers on 5-7 occasions
    5. Has over 50 wins

    Now let's look at two guys from yesteryear.

    Jimmy McLarnin-What does he share with Manny?
    1. Defeated top ranked fighters from 112-147
    2. Carried his power so well he won the undisputed 147 crown with a KO1. (Musta been the steroids)
    3. Began as a teenager
    4. Fifty or so career wins
    5. Wins over HOFers on 10+ occasions

    McLarnin is usually in folks top fifty all-time but not often above 30 or so. Here's the other guy.

    Tony Canzoneri-What does he share with Manny?
    1. Defeated top ranked fighters from 118-147
    2. Was undisputed champion at 126, 135 and 140. Got a draw fighting for the undisputed 118 crown as a teenager. This was in a time of only ten divisions.
    3. Carried his power so well he won the 135 crown with a KO1 and the 140 crown with a KO3. (Musta been the steroids)
    4. Defeated HOFers on 10+ occasions
    5. An unbelievable athlete who fought with his hands at his waist and his jaw thrust forward. He'd try to get you to throw and then counter the bejeezus out of you.
    6. By the time he got to 147 he too was really undersized at 5'4 with a 68" reach.

    Now Canzoneri finished with 137 wins, with over 30 over ranked guys and usually appears ranked in the 25-35 kind of range.

    Just for some perspective on what Manny has done.

    How do you rank Manny all time as of now?
    Right about even with McLarnin and behind Canzoneri. Top 50, maybe top 40 something like that.

    Of course I could change my mind in about an hour or so
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    Ben Johnson

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hornfinger View Post
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    While I am of the belief that nearly all world class athletes are using PED's I see absolutely nothing that makes Manny jump out.

    It is when people do things that have never been done before that my eyes open up. Manny hasn't as this data proves. What Manny HAS done that is unique is make technical improvements. But how the heck could drugs make his right hand or balance or footwork better?
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    Quote Originally Posted by marbleheadmaui View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Hornfinger View Post
    Ben Johnson
    While I am of the belief that nearly all world class athletes are using PED's I see absolutely nothing that makes Manny jump out.

    It is when people do things that have never been done before that my eyes open up. Manny hasn't as this data proves. What Manny HAS done that is unique is make technical improvements. But how the heck could drugs make his right hand or balance or footwork better?
    Three things. One, does Manny's style remind you of anyone from the past? Two, why do you think most world class athletes are using PED's? Does this include Olympic athletes? Three, the question bound to be asked, where does Floyd rank in comparison?

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    Quote Originally Posted by marbleheadmaui View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Hornfinger View Post
    Ben Johnson
    While I am of the belief that nearly all world class athletes are using PED's I see absolutely nothing that makes Manny jump out.

    It is when people do things that have never been done before that my eyes open up. Manny hasn't as this data proves. What Manny HAS done that is unique is make technical improvements. But how the heck could drugs make his right hand or balance or footwork better?
    it isn't as if he bulked up much either. He weighs in and then only puts on a few pounds. When he gets in the ring he is the size that a junior welter normally is when entering the ring (hell, there are alot of junior welters who weigh more than the 148-149 that Pac usually weighs when he walks in the ring). Brandon Rios ballooned up in a fight in the last 6 months to more than Pac weighs and Rios is a lightweight.

    The balance is amazing to me. He always had fast feet, but they weren't good. He'd get over-extended, off-balance, etc... The right hand had a nice progression. Roach worked on that for years. It really was in the last 3-4 fights where you could see that Pac's use of his right hand felt natural to him (for a while it looked like Freddie was force feeding that change into him).

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