Just another way of looking at it.

[miron_lang]

in 2008 Manny Pacquiao fought as a Welterweight and at the end of that year he was Ranked by RING Magazine at #5. here's the complete Rankings

1. Antonio Margarito
2. Miguel Angel Cotto
3. Shane Mosley
4. Joshua Clottey
5. Manny Pacquiao
6. Carlos Quintana
7. Zab Judah
8. Luis Collazo
9. Andre Berto
10. Isaac Hlatshwayo

The Ring Magazine's Annual Ratings: Welterweight--2000s - Boxrec Boxing Encyclopaedia

Since that time :

Cotto and Clottey(Before 2008 ) lost to Margarito
Margarito lost to Shane Mosley
Shane Mosley lost to Miguel Cotto


* Would it be great if these 4 fighters didnt lose prior to facing Pacquiao? Well its not possible....They fought each other and somebody will lose or even get KTFO.

so since the money fight againts Hatton Pac has beaten all the TOP 4 Welterweights since he entered the division and he arguably did not lose a single round in doing it.


Just to illustrate that Fighters doesn't become bums when/if they lose.

1. Duran was KTFO by Thomas Hearns but came back and win a Middleweight belt againts Barkley

2. Hearns was KTFO by Hagler but came back and won multiple titles

3. Leonard lost to Duran but came back and won multiple championships

4. Barrera, Morales and Marquez were beaten before but came back and win championships

5. Evander was beaten by Moorer and KTFO by Bowe. Came back and KTFO Tyson

6. Hopkins lost to Jones came back and be #1 P4P

7. Pac got kayoed twice and became #1 P4P

8. Ali lost to Frazier came back

9. Foreman lost came back

10. etc etc etc

[erics44]

he is impressive, whats the point of the thread tho?

another way of looking at what?

[miron_lang]

he is impressive, whats the point of the thread tho?

another way of looking at what?

Miguel Cotto - Not the fighter he used to be. Damaged after the KO loss to Margarito

Joshua Clottey - Coming off a loss. Tailor made for Pacquiao

Antonio Margarito - Wasnt the same after the brutal loss to Mosley

Shane Mosley - Shot after the loss to Floyd and Draw with Mora.


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It became a standard that these are in fact true. even here it became as a fact that Pac has cherry picked opponents even if they themselves pick the opponent to win citing that they are not fortune tellers or something. You dont think the last 4 names were cherry picked fighters?

[erics44]

no mate

they were and probably still are the best in the division

who else was around for him to fight?

[Gandalf]

There is no denying that each of those fighters looked less than spectacular prior to fighting Manny Pac. They have all been top fighters at some stage in their careers, but when Manny faced them they were either of coming in off of recent KO's or a poor performance or string of performances.

You can look at it another way and say that some fighters come back well after a heavy stoppage or get better in their 40's, but those are exceptions to the rule rather than the norm.

[miron_lang]

There is no denying that each of those fighters looked less than spectacular prior to fighting Manny Pac. They have all been top fighters at some stage in their careers, but when Manny faced them they were either of coming in off of recent KO's or a poor performance or string of performances.

You can look at it another way and say that some fighters come back well after a heavy stoppage or get better in their 40's, but those are exceptions to the rule rather than the norm.

But they are the TOP guys. surely #2 will fight #3 but does the loser of that bout become less attractive than an unranked fighter?

Just an example : Mitchell wasnt even ranked when Floyd fought him and Baldomir was #10 before the Judah upset.


Evander looks shot to pieces prior to facing Tyson and what happened?

The point is you cant automatically assumed that a fighter is lesser now because he had lost. Cotto has lost one prior to facing Pac and at age 28 he was not the same?

and despite winning another title in a higher weight Cotto still looked less spectacular before the loss to Margarito?

Miles should stop discrediting Pacquiao.