A few respected opinions on the phantom punch. MUST SEE :)

[armyash]

Apologies if this has been posted before, I came across it when doing my usual trawl through you tube looking for boxing i haven't seen. I'm sure if you havent seen it you will find this interesting i did. Not exactly in depth but i do like to see interviews from the old time boxers as usually only get to see black and white footage of their fights good to see them outside the ring too.

[Saddo]

loved watching that... greats discussing a great.

not so sure about the advert with guys smoking a PRINCE ALBERT

[erics44]

Apologies if this has been posted before, I came across it when doing my usual trawl through you tube looking for boxing i haven't seen. I'm sure if you havent seen it you will find this interesting i did. Not exactly in depth but i do like to see interviews from the old time boxers as usually only get to see black and white footage of their fights good to see them outside the ring too.

the proof is in the puffing

[fan johnny]

A couple of relevant videos:

[fan johnny]

I couldn't quite understand the stoppage and they didn't explain it really well. It looked like the ref. was counting but I'm not sure because when Liston was up and ready the refs head was turned away from the fighters as if he was listening to someone else in the other corner and didn't really say go but just left them and when they started back fighting. The ref then came back in and said the fight was over. But it could also have been he was stopping the fight because Liston was starting to get blasted but then it looked premature. So I'm wondering if he was actually counted out?

[armyash]

I couldn't quite understand the stoppage and they didn't explain it really well. It looked like the ref. was counting but I'm not sure because when Liston was up and ready the refs head was turned away from the fighters as if he was listening to someone else in the other corner and didn't really say go but just left them and when they started back fighting. The ref then came back in and said the fight was over. But it could also have been he was stopping the fight because Liston was starting to get blasted but then it looked premature. So I'm wondering if he was actually counted out?

Jersey Joe Walcott was the ref for this too

[Mars_ax]

Wow, that's some rare footage, it was nice to hear what Dempsey and Marciano had to say, Rocky looked like he was carrying some extra weight.

BTW, I agree with the first guy had to say, the so-called phantom punch "couldn't crush a grape", and IMO, Liston either quit or took a dive.

[Cressa121]

I couldn't quite understand the stoppage and they didn't explain it really well. It looked like the ref. was counting but I'm not sure because when Liston was up and ready the refs head was turned away from the fighters as if he was listening to someone else in the other corner and didn't really say go but just left them and when they started back fighting. The ref then came back in and said the fight was over. But it could also have been he was stopping the fight because Liston was starting to get blasted but then it looked premature. So I'm wondering if he was actually counted out?

He got counted out. Because Ali was running around the ring Walcott didn't begin the count straight away as he was trying to get Ali to the neutral corner. I don't even think Walcott started a count as by the time he was ready Liston was up.

The official timekeeper at ringside had already counted up to about 14 by the time Liston got up, so when Walcott went off after wiping Liston's gloves it was because someone had gotten his attention to tell him Liston had been counted out. At least that's how I've always seen it described whenever I've read about it

Thanks for posting that video armyash, that's the first time I've heard Marciano and Dempsey speak. Very interesting to see.

[armyash]

I couldn't quite understand the stoppage and they didn't explain it really well. It looked like the ref. was counting but I'm not sure because when Liston was up and ready the refs head was turned away from the fighters as if he was listening to someone else in the other corner and didn't really say go but just left them and when they started back fighting. The ref then came back in and said the fight was over. But it could also have been he was stopping the fight because Liston was starting to get blasted but then it looked premature. So I'm wondering if he was actually counted out?

He got counted out. Because Ali was running around the ring Walcott didn't begin the count straight away as he was trying to get Ali to the neutral corner. I don't even think Walcott started a count as by the time he was ready Liston was up.

The official timekeeper at ringside had already counted up to about 14 by the time Liston got up, so when Walcott went off after wiping Liston's gloves it was because someone had gotten his attention to tell him Liston had been counted out. At least that's how I've always seen it described whenever I've read about it

Thanks for posting that video armyash, that's the first time I've heard Marciano and Dempsey speak. Very interesting to see.

No worries! i think i may have heard Marciano speak before but it was commentary over his fight footage where you dont get to see him so never know if it's actually him speaking or not. Definitely the first time i have heard Dempsey speak and i was surprised how clear he sounded everything i have heard about him makes him out to be a street urchin with no education and not able to string a few words together but he had a bit about him which was good to see.

strange seeing Dempsey sat in a suit on a tv show compared to seeing his grainy looking fight films from the 1920's

[0james0]

The advert was brilliant!

Interesting stuff, great to see the greats talking about their peers.