Fair or Not? Family gets evicted from council home because son was a rioter

[generalbulldog]

A suspected looter in this week’s riots and his mother are being thrown out of their council home.
In the first case of its kind, Daniel Sartain-Clarke, 18, and his mother have been served with an eviction notice as council bosses seek to turf them out of their £225,000 taxpayer-subsidised flat.
Sartain-Clarke is charged with violent disorder and attempting to steal electronic goods from the Currys store at Clapham Junction, South London, on Monday night.

There is likely to be a flood of similar cases as council leaders across England respond to public demands that looters face the toughest penalties possible.
In another day of dramatic developments:

Sartain-Clarke was arrested after more than 100 looters went on the rampage on Monday night. For two hours, the mob ransacked mobile phone stores and sports shops such as Foot Locker and JD Sports.
He appeared before magistrates in Battersea on Wednesday and pleaded not guilty to burglary and violent disorder. He and two co-defendants were remanded in custody.

Last night Ravi Govindia, the leader of Wandsworth Council, which issued the eviction notice, said he wanted the ‘strongest possible action’ taken against rioters and looters.
‘This council will do its utmost to ensure that those who are responsible pay a proper price,’ he said. ‘Ultimately this could lead to eviction from their homes.
‘Our officers will continue to work with the courts to establish the identities of other council tenants or members of their households as more cases are processed in the coming days and weeks.
‘Most residents on our housing estates are decent law-abiding citizens who will have been sickened at the scenes they witnessed on their TV screens this week.
‘As much as anything else we owe it to them to send out a strong signal that this kind of violence will not be tolerated.’
But Sartain-Clarke’s mother said her human rights had been ‘taken for granted’.
Spanish-born Maite de la Calva, 43, said: ‘I understand there are people who have got to face justice because all this has been madness and savagery.
‘But, I believe our human rights have been completely taken for granted. Daniel was just in the wrong place at the wrong time.
‘As a mother, I’m not responsible for my son’s actions and they are penalising me for his actions.’
The part-time worker said the decision had left her ‘very upset’ and she did not know where she and daughter Revecca, eight, would go.

Sartain-Clarke is being held at Feltham Prison, and his mother said he was ‘terrified’ of other prisoners and gangsters.
She said: ‘The other prisoners have been threatening the rioters. Daniel doesn’t know how to fight or defend himself. It’s breaking my heart right now. I left him so afraid.’
She claimed her son helped out in the community and had no history of trouble.
‘He’s a staunch member of the church,’ she said. ‘My son didn’t have a hoodie or balaclava. His face was clean and open. He’s very passive. He’s even been diagnosed with depression because he’s too passive.’
She added that his girlfriend J-Niel Starkei, 18, who was also arrested, had a promising career ahead of her.
She said: ‘She’s a nice girl, not a troublemaker. She was going to start an apprenticeship this September in event management and work part-time at a casino at Westfield shopping centre.’


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The picture of the 18 year old that was involved in the riots.


The mother and daughter that will be evicted because of the actions of the 18 year old.

So is this fair or not? Should the family be evicted because of the actions of some lawless 18 year old family member?

[CFH]

I understand the desire to punish people for creating this type of embarrassing disorder - the city I live in rioted because our team lost a fucking hockey game and I was irate - but this is ridiculously punitive.

IMO the government should be looking at fixing the types of social problems which led to the rioting, not creating more poverty and discontent by arbitrarily making examples of people,

[Andre]

No way.

[Mark TKO]

not fair on the family but this nation is far too soft. I am all for harshe punishment of the kid - fuck him.

in the 80s as kids we were shit scared of some teachers and the police. Thats all changed


I have seen quite often teenagers abusing cops and laughing and they just don't know what to do or deal with. I also know a couple of teachers who have quit as they can't handle it - and are powerless to do anything any more.

Hit the fuckers first - ask questions later is maybe taking it a bit far but a move in that direction would suit me.

[BIG H]

not fair on the family but this nation is far too soft. I am all for harshe punishment of the kid - fuck him.

in the 80s as kids we were shit scared of some teachers and the police. Thats all changed


I have seen quite often teenagers abusing cops and laughing and they just don't know what to do or deal with. I also know a couple of teachers who have quit as they can't handle it - and are powerless to do anything any more.

Hit the fuckers first - ask questions later is maybe taking it a bit far but a move in that direction would suit me.

Totally agree!!

Kids (and adults) need to learn respect and learn to respect the laws of the lands. There needs to be a deterrant for breaking laws - currently there isn't!

But, we also need to address what is causing kids to go down this route.

[Gandalf]

No, the government is getting it wrong and ignoring all the reasons behind why Britain is such a mess. Sure it might look good "Ooh, we are tough on rioters and those who raised people who would riot", but it's silly. The family are not to blame directly. Give the kid 2 years in prison and a prison without all the comforts that prisons have today. We need to be tough on crime once again and attacking extended family is not going about it in the right way.

Give police officers power, let teachers use a cane and stop giving council housing to teenage mothers. Things will start to change, these stop gap short term actions just piss off more of the vermin class riff raff. It solves nothing.

[generalbulldog]

No, the government is getting it wrong and ignoring all the reasons behind why Britain is such a mess. Sure it might look good "Ooh, we are tough on rioters and those who raised people who would riot", but it's silly. The family are not to blame directly. Give the kid 2 years in prison and a prison without all the comforts that prisons have today. We need to be tough on crime once again and attacking extended family is not going about it in the right way.

Give police officers power, let teachers use a cane and stop giving council housing to teenage mothers. Things will start to change, these stop gap short term actions just piss off more of the vermin class riff raff. It solves nothing.

I disagreed that the family is not to be blamed for this. The mother did not raise her son right. She failed as a parent to instill any sense of morals or responsibility in that little hellraiser. She let him run the streets at any time of the day to cause mayhem and destruction on the livelihoods of innocent people. In short, she was a shitty parent that didn't instill any values in him.

Should she and her daughter be kicked out of the council home? No I wouldn't go that far, but she failed as a parent. Any sense of character, any sense of morality or responsibility is first instilled at home. That's where it starts first. The mother should not be absolved of any responsibility. And where the hell is the kid's father?

[Ghost]

No, the government is getting it wrong and ignoring all the reasons behind why Britain is such a mess. Sure it might look good "Ooh, we are tough on rioters and those who raised people who would riot", but it's silly. The family are not to blame directly. Give the kid 2 years in prison and a prison without all the comforts that prisons have today. We need to be tough on crime once again and attacking extended family is not going about it in the right way.

Give police officers power, let teachers use a cane and stop giving council housing to teenage mothers. Things will start to change, these stop gap short term actions just piss off more of the vermin class riff raff. It solves nothing.

The "Government" got it wrong a long time ago by listening to all them bleeding heart do-gooders in the past and this is part of the results. Bring back corporal punishment and see if things don't change.

[0james0]

For every action there needs to be a reaction. The kid already had a load of ASBO's and the mum had been warned to control him. But at 18 he should get punished alone and be a man.

It's fair if they do it to all the others, not fair if this is the only one. Now there is a precedence set, it'll be interesting to see if they stick to it.

[chinchekked]

Just my opinion......no! It is not fair to evict this woman based on her son's actions. But to digress a bit I was raised in a single parent home in a rough neighborhood but I didn't do simple crap like this nor was I a gangbanger or on the corners being a d-boy. A lot of my childhood friends went down the wrong path in life and the difference between myself and them was the parenting I received. My mother didn't mess around. I feared my mother from a disciplinary perspective and also from a love POV because I didn't want to let her down. There is no miracle answer but good parenting can overcome an abundance of obstacles. My mother is great and her discipline kept me in line but her LOVE is what drove me to not be a fuck up and make something of myself. I still respect my mother to the utmost but that is something you don't find much anymore. Parents are becoming lazy and content on letting tv and the school system raise their children

[Andre]

Just my opinion......no! It is not fair to evict this woman based on her son's actions. But to digress a bit I was raised in a single parent home in a rough neighborhood but I didn't do simple crap like this nor was I a gangbanger or on the corners being a d-boy. A lot of my childhood friends went down the wrong path in life and the difference between myself and them was the parenting I received. My mother didn't mess around. I feared my mother from a disciplinary perspective and also from a love POV because I didn't want to let her down. There is no miracle answer but good parenting can overcome an abundance of obstacles. My mother is great and her discipline kept me in line but her LOVE is what drove me to not be a fuck up and make something of myself. I still respect my mother to the utmost but that is something you don't find much anymore. Parents are becoming lazy and content on letting tv and the school system raise their children

Good woman, you are a lucky man. Give her our regards,the world needs more like her.

[chinchekked]

Just my opinion......no! It is not fair to evict this woman based on her son's actions. But to digress a bit I was raised in a single parent home in a rough neighborhood but I didn't do simple crap like this nor was I a gangbanger or on the corners being a d-boy. A lot of my childhood friends went down the wrong path in life and the difference between myself and them was the parenting I received. My mother didn't mess around. I feared my mother from a disciplinary perspective and also from a love POV because I didn't want to let her down. There is no miracle answer but good parenting can overcome an abundance of obstacles. My mother is great and her discipline kept me in line but her LOVE is what drove me to not be a fuck up and make something of myself. I still respect my mother to the utmost but that is something you don't find much anymore. Parents are becoming lazy and content on letting tv and the school system raise their children

Good woman, you are a lucky man. Give her our regards,the world needs more like her.

Yeah, appreciate that.....my point being that love and proper discipline can conquer whatever your surroundings throw at u