After Vitali puts on another powerful performance surely this can only put lewis on an even higher level .
your thoughts
After Vitali puts on another powerful performance surely this can only put lewis on an even higher level .
your thoughts
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No point looking at what one fighter is doing as a direct influence on another fighters credentials... There's a thread somewhere on here about Bernard Hopkins continued success and it's impact on Joe Calzaghe legacy (or lack thereof). Same thing here.
Having said that, Lennox Lewis is/will always be better than the Klitschko's.
Lewis was and is one of the Greatest heavyweights in history....he beat everyone he fought and would have beaten Vitali much easier if he had trained for him when they fought...Vitali did very well against Lewis due to a few factors
1. Lewis was suppose to fight someone easier that night
2. Lewis under trained
3. Lewis was in that retirement zone
fact is Vitali would have had a very hard nite if Lewis was at his best....Lewis is a true Great and the Klits ARE NOT
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eh eh!!
Last edited by Otley; 09-11-2011 at 01:56 PM.
sorry but Ocean's Eleven wasn't a real fight, Vitali fought Lewis, Wlad didn't, and you can make as many excuses as you want for Lennox but Vitali was getting the best of him once the stoppage came along, and although Lewis has a good resume, the Klitschko's have cleaned out the HW division Lewis did not, he didn't fight other top guys like Ruiz, Byrd, Toney, etc. at the end of his career, and when finally someone was able to go tooth and nail with him he decided to quit, the fact that Vitali retired and came back to have the post retirement career he has against mostly top opposition put's him on par with ANY recent HW champ including Lewis same goes for Wlad
Lol. Ruiz and Byrd? Are you serious?
The guys who were both very fortunate not to have 'L's next to thier names after fighting a man Lewis put away in one round?
And James Toney was good but not a realistic threat at the time, nor worth a great deal of money.
And Lewis quit at what? 37 38, that's not young and he did his thing without a lengthy break like Vitali. That break and what ever surgery, physio and god knows what elseio he had during this time did Vitali the world of good and obviously added years to his career but it really has nothing to do with who is better as you could see when he fought previous Lewis victim Briggs.
Last edited by Jimanuel Boogustus; 09-11-2011 at 05:04 PM.
Look at their faces at the end of that fight and then repeat that comment with a straight face.
Technically, yes Vitali was ahead in rounds on the judges scorecards, but Lewis inflicted so much damage that Vitali needed something like 50 stitches and could not continue. That, for me, is far more of an indicator that the round score after 6 rounds in showing who was winiing/won that fight.
And to suggest that Byrd and Ruiz and former 160 pound James Toney were better than the likes of Morrison, McCall, Tua, Tucker, Mercer, a Golota that had just taken Bowe to pieces twice, is laughable
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We never got the chance see how he was
He was great at holding and hitting, rabbit punching, backhanding and had a great jab. He had very little stamina, was weak-chinned, but had a very good looping overhand right.
don't really see how it's laughable, seeing how both Ruiz and Byrd did a hell of a lot more than Haye, yet everyone kept trying to play him up as if it was a must do fight for Wlad, whose resume is already stacked, lets face it apart from an old Holyfield, the heavies that Lewis pounded out are just as mediocre as the ones that Wlad and Vitali have stopped, Tua never even won a title hell his ONLY title shot was against Lewis, and well McCall, Morrison, Tucker, Mercer, and well Golota are the Arreola, Chagaev, Haye, Peter, Brewster, and McCline of yesteryear, they did enough to win or challenge for belts yet when they fought actual talent they were stomped
IMO Lewis and ATG don't go together, he doesn't even crack my top 10 yet neither do the Klitschko's
Lewis ducked Ruiz, Byrd and Toney?
Lets get some things in perspective.
1. No-one gave a shit about Lewis-Byrd. Don King, Byrd's promoter, paid Lewis $1million dollars to give up the IBF title, so Byrd-Holyfield could happen, whilst Lewis was contemplating retirement.
2. Ruiz turned down a Lewis fight on the date he fought Grant. Then got himself involved in the Holyfield WBA shit and lost to Jones. Ruiz being a serious challenger to Lewis is ridiculous.
3. Lewis basically retired after beating Tyson. He was only hanging around for a possible Tyson rematch and massive $30 million pot.
The date Lewis fought Vitali on was originally meant to be a Lewis/Tyson doubleheader. Tyson-Maskaev, Lewis-Johnson HBO PPV. However, Tyson pulled out. This is when Klitschko came into the picture. He fights on Lewis's undercard to set up a POSSIBLE match between the two. But Johnson pulls out so Lewis accepts Klitschko (to stop himself losing a fortune on the promotion).
For people that say they had the same preperation is just ridiculous.
Vitali was 31, a young hungry challenger trying to redeem the Klitschko name. He was seen as a coward. Wlad had just been splattered by Sanders. Lewis was 38, hadn't fought for a year, and spent that time contemplating retirement. Clearly their careers were in completely opposite places. Vitali was entering the fight of his life, with everything to gain and nothing to lose. Lewis was trying to save himself from losing a fortune against a guy that meant nothing to him.
Had Lewis lost there's no doubt there would have been a rematch. He didn't. And didn't need to prove anything against a fighter from a different generation to him.![]()
Last edited by Fenster; 09-12-2011 at 02:44 PM.
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i agree with what you have said in your first paragraph
not even putting lewis in the top 10 all time is a bit daft tho
if you put fighters of latter eras in with fighters of earlier ones then it wouldnt be that fair because the latter eras have the benefits of nutrician and science and evolving techniques and all the experience of yester-years battles, that said maybe this is an unfair statement but
lewis would have beaten all fighters in his history, him on his day them on theirs
Im not saying that to be a biast brit, i dont even count lewis as a true brit
the only fighters in history who would challenge lewis for the best in history would be the klits
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Last edited by AdamGB; 09-11-2011 at 07:29 PM.
this topic will never die...mainly because there was no rematch.
zeljko mav staggered him twice, and that a light-hitting 200 lb. vegetarian to boot.
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