Bert Sugar on Mike Tyson, his legacy and chances against the Klitchko's

[creationstory]

I think Klitchko.. at least Vlad wouldn't have had a good chance against Tyson.. his uppercuts would've taken his neck off!

[Nameless]

Bert sure knows how to tell stories and be captivating and he's a very good boxing historian but he has the same problem as Lou Duva: he's putting the jewels of old way too high in the stack and can't be much objective.

[creationstory]

Bert sure knows how to tell stories and be captivating and he's a very good boxing historian but he has the same problem as Lou Duva: he's putting the jewels of old way too high in the stack and can't be much objective.

different era fighters .. different rules applied ...
i believe that competition in the past was tougher.. there were more people boxing and they were boxing considerably more..

[brocktonblockbust]

look how tough archie moore was, how many hundreds of power bombs he absorbed from Marciano and he was still standing after 8+ rounds. If Lewis or Klit absorbed even 1/2 of those it would be a carmine vingo story, sadly, for them. No dounbt the people were tougher back then, ITS ALL THE GMO FOODS, AND THE POLITICALLY-CORRECT LAWS, PEOPLE GOT WAY MORE SENSITIVE AND TOUCHY AND WEAK.

[ross]

This twat pisses me off. He has to wear the panama hat and unlit cigar so people recognise him as the old twa off tv that talks shit.

He says Tyson had trouble with taller fighters?

Take a look at the scores for the Green, Tucker and Smith fights and tell me thats a fighter who was having trouble

Even unfit against Douglas he dropped him hard late in the fight. Against the Klitschkos if nothing else Mike knew how to get insidea and he would have kept up a good work rate and pushed them to at least a decision win. Neither like to work at a pace.

You could look at Lewis's record against Mercer, Mc Call, Rahman and Holyfield and say that he struggled with shorter men.

[brocktonblockbust]

This twat pisses me off. He has to wear the panama hat and unlit cigar so people recognise him as the old twa off tv that talks shit.

dude relax a little

[Rantcatrat]

Wlad and Vitali have better legacies, I think. The longer the fight went Tyson's chances decrease.

[Nameless]

Bert sure knows how to tell stories and be captivating and he's a very good boxing historian but he has the same problem as Lou Duva: he's putting the jewels of old way too high in the stack and can't be much objective.

different era fighters .. different rules applied ...
i believe that competition in the past was tougher.. there were more people boxing and they were boxing considerably more..

That's the thing, not necessarily and it doesn't mean that the great of today wouldn't have performed well in the past. I don't see any reasons why the Klitschko wouldn't have had at least very good chances to become champion too, Vitali was a monster in his prime and is still excessively dangerous even past his best years, Wlad has power, size and a very sound technique on his side. I am not saying they would win everything but they sure would have very good chances afainst anybody. If Vitali could absorb Lewis best punches and keep going on, you can be sure that he could eat Tyson bombs too and keep rolling

[El Kabong]

OK so you're comparing Wlad to Tony Tucker? You think that is a valid comparison?

Sanders caught Vitali flush and the ref ruled it a slip, but its erroneous because Vitali stopped him anyway.

Its a hypothetical match up and just based on styles the Klitschko's have exactly what you would want to beat a fighter like Tyson with and perhaps vice versa. I'm basing my decision on what I've seen, I've seen Douglas, Holyfield, and Lewis hammer Tyson and the Klitschko's are far better than Douglas perhaps slightly under Lewis, but they are in the group that would have a good shot vs Tyson.

The funny thing is the people who make excuses for Tyson always cite his poor training for the Douglas fight, but that's a flaw of the fighter, if he didn't train properly that's on him and it shouldn't be an excuse.

[ross]

Yes of course its Mike Tysons fault im not disputing that but at the dame time not one person seriously believes that Douglas would have beaten Mike at his best. Douglas wouldnt have beaten the version of Holmes that Mike did, I also doubt he would have beaten Spinks.

The only fight who had the confidence to put combinations together and had any speed that Wladimir faced smashed him inside 2 rounds. Look how cautious he fought Haye. He was very wary of Hayes speed and power and would have shit himself as the ref was giving instructions while Tyson glared at him.

Vitali may not have shit himself while Tyson glared at him but as soon as Mike started landing and Vitali couldnt catch him back he would then have had the same fearing for his life look that he had when Sanders was catching him near the end of the first in their fight as he was staggering backwards and holding for dear life(the same look Audley has when any sort of punch is coming his way).

Mike would have been able to keep that up until he stopped Vitali because he wouldnt have been a retired fat golf player

[Mr140]

Tyson one of the metal weak fighters i have ever seen i give him good chance to beat bothe brothers. But in saying that if he could not knock Vitali out quick he be pretty fucked to be honest with you.

[Mr140]

As for Tyson being prime this what i always found to be quite funny. When he lost to Holyfeild he just destroyed Frank Bruno faster then eh did in so called prime then got destroyed by Evander Holyfield.

[Master]

As for Tyson being prime this what i always found to be quite funny. When he lost to Holyfeild he just destroyed Frank Bruno faster then eh did in so called prime then got destroyed by Evander Holyfield.

The Tyson that first fought Bruno was very poor, and was going through a lot of crap at home. Bruno was also shit scared the second time.

[El Kabong]

Wlad had to stalk Haye down for 12 rounds and people routinely confuse "being smart" with "being cautious"...Would Wlad have been smart if he just walked right into one of Haye's haymakers? NO! So Wlad stuck to his game plan (which has never not worked) pump the jab, look for openings, and don't get caught in return.

And who says Vitali "wouldn't be able to find Tyson"?!?! If anything Tyson would have a hard time finding Vitali, Sanders caught him as did Lennox but those guys are significantly taller than Tyson.

Bobbing and weaving doesn't mean much if you can't get passed the jab. The guys that use head movement to work to the inside of the Klitschko's are routinely tied up, out maneuvered, or walked into punches.

[brocktonblockbust]

The guys that use head movement to work to the inside of the Klitschko's are routinely tied up, out maneuvered, or walked into punches.

Utter depravity. Guys like Frazier and Marciano who really knew how to get inside, the K bros have never fought. All they have fought are cowards that, after bobbing a wee-bit and trying to get inside a wee-bit, and then tasting a couple nice steelhammer counter shots on the way in, GAVE THE FOCK UP AND DECIDED IT WAS SAFER ON THE OUTSIDE. CAN ANYONE SEE MARCIANO OR FRAZIER DECIDING TO STAY ON THE OUTSIDE?
PL-EEEEEASE!......