Wow Manny looked like crap last night!

[Onix]

So ya I watched the fight live and I was surprised a bit by the scores but I also knew that I had stopped scoring the fight around the 4th round and the drinks had already caught up so I was in mob mentality and of course the crowd will cheer for Manny farting.

So rewatching it this morning on mute here is what I saw:

-Manny took the first two minutes of almost every round off, Bradley fought every minute of every round.
-Bradley landed alot of hooks to the body as Pac came in
-Pacman smiled and nodded to Bradley alot conceding that he got hit with something (The crowd and HBO never acknowledged)
-When Pac went on offense he swung wildly but he missed alot of those punches
-Bradley used the jab pretty effectively to keep Pac off him
-Pacquaio hit Bradley flush several times and he never really hurt Bradley
-Manny looked alot slower than what was being hyped by the HBO commentators during the fight.
-Bradley had great footwork and head movement, he used alot of angles to get himself out of danger.

If Bradley had any kind of punching power the fight would have looked different because Manny would have been getting knocked back by all the counters that Bradley landed and his body would have showed more welts from the body punching but regardless of punching power BRADLEY WON THE FIGHT.

Both put their best effort and gave us another fight to talk about for a while.

[awdleyfuturehalloffamer]

Pac looked like crap and still won almost every round.

[Onix]

Pac looked like crap and still won almost every round.

Why?

[chris6878]

-Pacquaio hit Bradley flush several times and he never really hurt Bradley


BRADLEY WON THE FIGHT.

Those two comments just made u look like a total ass. U must've been hung over as u rewatch.

[Onix]

-Pacquaio hit Bradley flush several times and he never really hurt Bradley


BRADLEY WON THE FIGHT.

Those two comments just made u look like a total ass. U must've been hung over as u rewatch.

Ya thats funny and all but you give no reasoning to your point of view so it pretty much makes it useless.

I gave an analysis of why I thought Bradley won, what is yours for not??

[Howlin Mad Missy]

-Pacquaio hit Bradley flush several times and he never really hurt Bradley


BRADLEY WON THE FIGHT.

Those two comments just made u look like a total ass. U must've been hung over as u rewatch.

but apart from that you agree with all his other points?

[hardcore_crash]

I feel Manny looked the same as he usually does.
Just that this opponent had just had the ability took recover quick from certain left hands which were landed. And match Pacquiao's punch output- instead of suppress it.

This Pacquiao would have KOed Hatton in the 2nd as well.

[Manju]

Consider this.

Rumblings of PacMan's demise began after the Mosely fight...and continued thru Marquez and Bradley.

Mosely came to survive, not win. JMM made Pac look like....well...like he always looks like when fighting JMM. Bradley followed JMM cautious gameplan, tho much less effectively imo.

In contrast, PacMan's peak consisted of ODLH, Hatton, and Margarito.

What this should tell us is that PacMan looks spectacular against fighters who come forward. This style allows him to display his movement and quickness. Only once the opponent is hurt, does he come forward for the kill.

Pac looks less superhuman against fighters who go backwards, counterpunch, use a lot of movement, and basically play defense first. This is common among the great offensive fighters. Look at Duran and Chavez.

Indeed, the one bump during PacMan's exciting peak was Joshua Clottey...a guy whose major skill is his ability to cover his entire body with his arms and stay that way for an entire fight.

Pac may be aging, but with age comes the wisdom that the way you defeat a counterpuncher is to not force the fight. This makes for long stretches of boredom, as we saw last night. But long stretches of inactivity are a 2-way street.

More importantly, they are not necessarily evidence of a decline. Until a counterpuncher is able to outland Pac during these stretches, and only JMM has come close, Pac should continue with the strategy of laying back...judges be damned.

[chris6878]

Consider this.

Rumblings of PacMan's demise began after the Mosely fight...and continued thru Marquez and Bradley.

Mosely came to survive, not win. JMM made Pac look like....well...like he always looks like when fighting JMM. Bradley followed JMM cautious gameplan, tho much less effectively imo.

In contrast, PacMan's peak consisted of ODLH, Hatton, and Margarito.

What this should tell us is that PacMan looks spectacular against fighters who come forward. This style allows him to display his movement and quickness. Only once the opponent is hurt, does he come forward for the kill.

Pac looks less superhuman against fighters who go backwards, counterpunch, use a lot of movement, and basically play defense first. This is common among the great offensive fighters. Look at Duran and Chavez.

Indeed, the one bump during PacMan's exciting peak was Joshua Clottey...a guy whose major skill is his ability to cover his entire body with his arms and stay that way for an entire fight.

Pac may be aging, but with age comes the wisdom that the way you defeat a counterpuncher is to not force the fight. This makes for long stretches of boredom, as we saw last night. But long stretches of inactivity are a 2-way street.

More importantly, they are not necessarily evidence of a decline. Until a counterpuncher is able to outland Pac during these stretches, and only JMM has come close, Pac should continue with the strategy of laying back...judges be damned.

I agree with all that. Also take into consideration that "according to past pacs" he was fat. Not in shape at all. Gassed out from chasing in the later rounds.

The op I guess was taking a piss when PAC was punishing timm with lefts.

[THE THIRD MAN]

So ya I watched the fight live and I was surprised a bit by the scores but I also knew that I had stopped scoring the fight around the 4th round and the drinks had already caught up so I was in mob mentality and of course the crowd will cheer for Manny farting.

So rewatching it this morning on mute here is what I saw:

-Manny took the first two minutes of almost every round off, Bradley fought every minute of every round.
-Bradley landed alot of hooks to the body as Pac came in
-Pacman smiled and nodded to Bradley alot conceding that he got hit with something (The crowd and HBO never acknowledged)
-When Pac went on offense he swung wildly but he missed alot of those punches
-Bradley used the jab pretty effectively to keep Pac off him
-Pacquaio hit Bradley flush several times and he never really hurt Bradley
-Manny looked alot slower than what was being hyped by the HBO commentators during the fight.
-Bradley had great footwork and head movement, he used alot of angles to get himself out of danger.

If Bradley had any kind of punching power the fight would have looked different because Manny would have been getting knocked back by all the counters that Bradley landed and his body would have showed more welts from the body punching but regardless of punching power BRADLEY WON THE FIGHT.

Both put their best effort and gave us another fight to talk about for a while.

Manny looked like crap and fought like crap. Where was his movement? Where were the famous Pacman angles? Where was the pop in his punches? Where was the accuracy? He stood right in front of Bradley and let Bradley do all the fighting? Pacman has aged quickly, the wars have caught up with him, if that was Floyd he was fighting he would've been humiliated and lost every round! He was still good enough to win some rounds against Bradley, but i had Bradley winning in the end because you just can't wait until the last 20 seconds of each round to do something? I thought Manny was in trouble by round 7 and 8, i just had this feeling he wasn't going to KO Bradley and he wasn't doing enough to halt Bradley's progress and win it by decision.
The demise of Pacqauio began with Marquez 3, i gave him the benefit of the doubt in that one beliveing Marquez was his kryptonite. Well, Bradley has raided Marquez's locker and stole a piece of the green stuff because Manny Pacquiao appeared listless and had none of that aura of invincibility we saw against DLH, Hatton, Margo and Cotto.
He will get a rematch, but unless Manny Pacquiao can turn back time and return to the fighting style that made him famous then it's all over for him...he will lose again.
He looked almost journeyman like in this fight. 115-113 Bradley

[chris6878]

So ya I watched the fight live and I was surprised a bit by the scores but I also knew that I had stopped scoring the fight around the 4th round and the drinks had already caught up so I was in mob mentality and of course the crowd will cheer for Manny farting.

So rewatching it this morning on mute here is what I saw:

-Manny took the first two minutes of almost every round off, Bradley fought every minute of every round.
-Bradley landed alot of hooks to the body as Pac came in
-Pacman smiled and nodded to Bradley alot conceding that he got hit with something (The crowd and HBO never acknowledged)
-When Pac went on offense he swung wildly but he missed alot of those punches
-Bradley used the jab pretty effectively to keep Pac off him
-Pacquaio hit Bradley flush several times and he never really hurt Bradley
-Manny looked alot slower than what was being hyped by the HBO commentators during the fight.
-Bradley had great footwork and head movement, he used alot of angles to get himself out of danger.

If Bradley had any kind of punching power the fight would have looked different because Manny would have been getting knocked back by all the counters that Bradley landed and his body would have showed more welts from the body punching but regardless of punching power BRADLEY WON THE FIGHT.

Both put their best effort and gave us another fight to talk about for a while.

Manny looked like crap and fought like crap. Where was his movement? Where were the famous Pacman angles? Where was the pop in his punches? Where was the accuracy? He stood right in front of Bradley and let Bradley do all the fighting? Pacman has aged quickly, the wars have caught up with him, if that was Floyd he was fighting he would've been humiliated and lost every round! He was still good enough to win some rounds against Bradley, but i had Bradley winning in the end because you just can't wait until the last 20 seconds of each round to do something? I thought Manny was in trouble by round 7 and 8, i just had this feeling he wasn't going to KO Bradley and he wasn't doing enough to halt Bradley's progress and win it by decision.
The demise of Pacqauio began with Marquez 3, i gave him the benefit of the doubt in that one beliveing Marquez was his kryptonite. Well, Bradley has raided Marquez's locker and stole a piece of the green stuff because Manny Pacquiao appeared listless and had none of that aura of invincibility we saw against DLH, Hatton, Margo and Cotto.
He will get a rematch, but unless Manny Pacquiao can turn back time and return to the fighting style that made him famous then it's all over for him...he will lose again.
He looked almost journeyman like in this fight. 115-113 Bradley

I still think PAC won, but he did look very un PAC like. Came in out of shape. He pulled a Lenox Lewis. I wonder based of this, does he even still have the fire? Does he even give a fuck? If his next fight he doesn't come in in normal shape......then I will really know he is done.

[THE THIRD MAN]

So ya I watched the fight live and I was surprised a bit by the scores but I also knew that I had stopped scoring the fight around the 4th round and the drinks had already caught up so I was in mob mentality and of course the crowd will cheer for Manny farting.

So rewatching it this morning on mute here is what I saw:

-Manny took the first two minutes of almost every round off, Bradley fought every minute of every round.
-Bradley landed alot of hooks to the body as Pac came in
-Pacman smiled and nodded to Bradley alot conceding that he got hit with something (The crowd and HBO never acknowledged)
-When Pac went on offense he swung wildly but he missed alot of those punches
-Bradley used the jab pretty effectively to keep Pac off him
-Pacquaio hit Bradley flush several times and he never really hurt Bradley
-Manny looked alot slower than what was being hyped by the HBO commentators during the fight.
-Bradley had great footwork and head movement, he used alot of angles to get himself out of danger.

If Bradley had any kind of punching power the fight would have looked different because Manny would have been getting knocked back by all the counters that Bradley landed and his body would have showed more welts from the body punching but regardless of punching power BRADLEY WON THE FIGHT.

Both put their best effort and gave us another fight to talk about for a while.

Manny looked like crap and fought like crap. Where was his movement? Where were the famous Pacman angles? Where was the pop in his punches? Where was the accuracy? He stood right in front of Bradley and let Bradley do all the fighting? Pacman has aged quickly, the wars have caught up with him, if that was Floyd he was fighting he would've been humiliated and lost every round! He was still good enough to win some rounds against Bradley, but i had Bradley winning in the end because you just can't wait until the last 20 seconds of each round to do something? I thought Manny was in trouble by round 7 and 8, i just had this feeling he wasn't going to KO Bradley and he wasn't doing enough to halt Bradley's progress and win it by decision.
The demise of Pacqauio began with Marquez 3, i gave him the benefit of the doubt in that one beliveing Marquez was his kryptonite. Well, Bradley has raided Marquez's locker and stole a piece of the green stuff because Manny Pacquiao appeared listless and had none of that aura of invincibility we saw against DLH, Hatton, Margo and Cotto.
He will get a rematch, but unless Manny Pacquiao can turn back time and return to the fighting style that made him famous then it's all over for him...he will lose again.
He looked almost journeyman like in this fight. 115-113 Bradley

I still think PAC won, but he did look very un PAC like. Came in out of shape. He pulled a Lenox Lewis. I wonder based of this, does he even still have the fire? Does he even give a fuck? If his next fight he doesn't come in in normal shape......then I will really know he is done.

As a Pac fan for years i was shocked at his lack of intensity? Did he take Bradley lightly? Or has he just lost that burning desire? Something was not right with Pacquiao and i thought it strange that he was not getting much input from Roach during the fight? To me he looked like Mosley when he started to fade, maybe his time is up? It was a very un Pacman like performance and due credit to Bradley who hung in there and kept to his fight plan throughout, I thought he won it. Pacman could be having his last fight in November?

[KananKrus]

I didn't know journeyman fighters have the ability to put "unbeaten fighters" like the desert storm Bradley in wheelchairs in their victory press conferences and in ambulances on their way back to their cribs... At the hospital!

[THE THIRD MAN]

I didn't know journeyman fighters have the ability to put "unbeaten fighters" like the desert storm Bradley in wheelchairs in their victory press conferences and in ambulances on their way back to their cribs... At the hospital!

It makes for a good story doesn't it? As i said, he looked almost journeyman like with his performance, it was lacklustre and UN-Pacman like. Bradley deserved to win.

[boyla]

Result was a robbery.

Makes boxing look even more of a joke.

Somebody out there made alot of money.

Bradley does not deserve another Manny fight.

Shows how little titles mean.

Now have to endure another uncompetitive fight, because of incompetiance and greed.