Enzo Maccarinelli handed six month drugs ban

[Althugz]

The latest boxer to be busted. Enzo Mac handed a 6 month ban for testing positive. Obviously a boxer who is well, well, well on the slide but another former "World" champion none the less.

So...Larry get's 4 years...Enzo gets 6 months..

Sure, you can find what he took in over-the-counter supplements (like Jack3d and HemoRage) but surely a banned substance on their list is a banned substance and should receive the same punishment? It again, also proves the point about the area of PED's being such a grey area. It's banned in competition but ok for the average Joe to use?

BBC Sport - Enzo Maccarinelli handed six month drugs ban

[imp]

So much variation..doesnt make sense. They should ban all drug users for ten years.

[rjj tszyu]

From what I've heard the packaging didn't even stipulate that it contained this PED. If it's over the counter and doesn't say on the container that it contains a PED surely the company that supplies it should be sued and the fighter should be excused after he has sat out whilst his body clears itself of the drug?

[Memphis]

Then more fool him for buying his suppliments from Londis

[Althugz]

From what I've heard the packaging didn't even stipulate that it contained this PED. If it's over the counter and doesn't say on the container that it contains a PED surely the company that supplies it should be sued and the fighter should be excused after he has sat out whilst his body clears itself of the drug?

The ingredients will always stipulate what is contained in the supplement, buddy.

[rjj tszyu]

From what I've heard the packaging didn't even stipulate that it contained this PED. If it's over the counter and doesn't say on the container that it contains a PED surely the company that supplies it should be sued and the fighter should be excused after he has sat out whilst his body clears itself of the drug?

The ingredients will always stipulate what is contained in the supplement, buddy.

Apparently this one didn't!

Maccarinelli comments on positive doping test

[Althugz]

From what I've heard the packaging didn't even stipulate that it contained this PED. If it's over the counter and doesn't say on the container that it contains a PED surely the company that supplies it should be sued and the fighter should be excused after he has sat out whilst his body clears itself of the drug?

The ingredients will always stipulate what is contained in the supplement, buddy.

Apparently this one didn't!

Maccarinelli comments on positive doping test

DO NOT listen to Adam on this matter Rjj...I assure you he knows SHIT about the topic.

"The advert stated that it was an approved substance and I checked the ingredients which had no reference to any banned substance that I was aware of."

Those are the key words. Isn't that the excuse every athlete uses? Look, I know on the back of both products that contain this stuff, the ingredient is listed on the back. If athletes are so unsure, then they need someone in camp who knows this stuff. Being naive shouldn't be an excuse for taking something that's banned if that's the rules the UKAD are implementing.

He used and should be given the same punishment..IMO of course.

[AdamGB]

From what I've heard the packaging didn't even stipulate that it contained this PED. If it's over the counter and doesn't say on the container that it contains a PED surely the company that supplies it should be sued and the fighter should be excused after he has sat out whilst his body clears itself of the drug?

The ingredients will always stipulate what is contained in the supplement, buddy.

Nope.

If you knew half as much as you are trying to let on you would know just how much shit the term 'propiatery blend' can cover... You'd also know that it us not unheard of for suppliment companies to change or lie about what is in a product.

Why do you think Jack3D is constantly being pulled? It's just been banned AGAIN for featuring an ingredient which was claimed to be derived from a geranium, but was actually a synthetic featured on several ban lists.

Can I just ask... Did you seriously just compare something found in most preworkout formulas to fucking EPO?!?

I mean, I know you're mates or a big fan of larry's or some shit... but, really?!

Was claiming that anabolic steroids wouldn't aid in his power development because they 'don't make you grow more fast twitch muscle cells' (hint: nothing makes you 'grow more' cells. It's a physiological impossibility!...) not enough?

[Althugz]

From what I've heard the packaging didn't even stipulate that it contained this PED. If it's over the counter and doesn't say on the container that it contains a PED surely the company that supplies it should be sued and the fighter should be excused after he has sat out whilst his body clears itself of the drug?

The ingredients will always stipulate what is contained in the supplement, buddy.

Nope.

If you knew half as much as you are trying to let on you would know just how much shit the term 'propiatery blend' can cover... You'd also know that it us not unheard of for suppliment companies to change or lie about what is in a product.

Why do you think Jack3D is constantly being pulled? It's just been banned AGAIN for featuring an ingredient which was claimed to be derived from a geranium, but was actually a synthetic featured on several ban lists.

Can I just ask... Did you seriously just compare something found in most preworkout formulas to fucking EPO?!?

I mean, I know you're mates or a big fan of larry's or some shit... but, really?!

Was claiming that anabolic steroids wouldn't aid in his power development because they 'don't make you grow more fast twitch muscle cells' (hint: nothing makes you 'grow more' cells. It's a physiological impossibility!...) not enough?

You are seriously dumb beyond words..honestly, you lower my IQ everytime I respond to your complete and utter nonsense..The scary part is how much confidence you have in your stupidity.

Listen...read slowly..

Who decides whether methylhexaneamine is worse than EPO?? You?? Of course not, you dumb shit. So how can you then turn around and say "OMG OMG you're comparing an over the counter supplement to something that's banned".

Do you even know the law when it comes to what can be promoted as an over the counter supplement and something that's banned? No, you don't. It's as simple as bringing something out that has NO MEDICAL USAGE. If something has no medical usage it can be sold over the counter until complaints are made and the long process to ban it has been completed/proven.

For example, when prohormones were banned, they used this loophole to bring out a supplement called M1T which was a STEROID. They called it a "pro-steroid" and it was sold over the counter. It had zero medical use because they created it in a lab. Oh but because it was an over the counter supplement, in your infinite wisdom, it wouldn't have been as bad as things on the banned list..even though it was probably far more effective than most things on there.

NOW do you see the grey area that I'm talking about??

They eventually got it banned. Tons of stuff on the banned list were over the counter supplements at one point you absolute goof! Ephedrine, pro-hormones (which are steroids) and probably soon to be, methylhexaneamine which is found in Jack3d and HemoRage. I assume Enzo used one of those two.

It actually pains me that you can be this dumb and be so cock-sure about it.

If this post, born out of your stupidity has at least educated some of the forum posters about the huge grey area and contradiction that is the supplement industry, then you will have at least served some purpose.

[Althugz]

From what I've heard the packaging didn't even stipulate that it contained this PED. If it's over the counter and doesn't say on the container that it contains a PED surely the company that supplies it should be sued and the fighter should be excused after he has sat out whilst his body clears itself of the drug?

The ingredients will always stipulate what is contained in the supplement, buddy.

Nope.

If you knew half as much as you are trying to let on you would know just how much shit the term 'propiatery blend' can cover... You'd also know that it us not unheard of for suppliment companies to change or lie about what is in a product.

Propietary blends still list ingredients you div - Just not the exact quantities they are listing in. I really hope that nobody is taking notice of your shit. This is, unfortunately, how misinformation spreads.

[Trecco bay]

There is a big diffrence between something found in a nasal spray and admitting to taken 13 different substances over a 6 year period including anobolic steriods and human growth hormone. Enzo has taken over 20 drug tests over his career , he bought something out of a magazine which was legal is only crime was not checking the ingredients . Larry was taken banned substances which he knew what they were and the damage they could do to his opponents. There is a big diffrence between the two cases and only an idiot would compare them.

[roberto duran legend]

He will take it on the chin,

[Memphis]

Total transparency is the only way to go. You take anything on this list, your gone for X amount of time. There cant be different levels of taking the piss, you either are or you aren't. I didnt know isn't good enough.

[Althugz]

Total transparency is the only way to go. You take anything on this list, your gone for X amount of time. There cant be different levels of taking the piss, you either are or you aren't. I didnt know isn't good enough.

Exactly - Someone who gets it.

[AdamGB]

Imagine if our Justice system operated in the same way...

You're saying that PEDs are a 'grey area', but you want black and white punishment?