the "real"greatest Heavyweight!

[bigstinkybug]

*I'll argue this..and stand by it... i believe the greatest heavyweight of all time is ... VITALI KLISTSKO.

*Vitali is the only heavyweight in history to never trail in a fight. How is that? it's not luck..when ur the best, crazy stats appear..this is one.

*Vitali could easily be undefeated. He was waaaaay ahead when the Byrd happened... the guy tore his rotator cuff...
*in his fight with Lennox... IMO, Lennox was out on his feet.

Vitali is 25 pounds heavier than big George Forman was when he was terrorizing the heavyweight div in the 70's. For those who think Frazier, Holmes, Marciano, Evander, could beat Vitali... i tell u this... and i can already tell this is a smart forum with smart fight fans in it... i tell u this... can u really see a guy who weighs under 215 pounds beating Vitali Klitsko... just picture that in ur head Vitali is a beast. He's a heavyweight's worst nightmare... a 250 pounds guy who can go 15 rounds.

LASTLY... if ur a fan of "rocky"like all true boxing fans are... when the "russian " character made, he was a force..bigger than life... a fiction of imagination... Well, i pick Vitai to beat him. Vitali looks bigger, stronger and would beat Drago as well...

bring it on... im ready for all comers!

[Dark Lord Al]

Some fair points , but you are also saying Vitali could beat film actor Dolph Lundgrin who played the fictional Ivan Drago ?

[frankenfrank]

Vitali would have been 2 much 4 Ali , Holmes and Louis but would have found prime Oliver McCall , prime George 4man 2 much 4 him . Now imagine what would have happened if he fought a trained and motivated SNV , d 1 that was never observed .

I do agree on Vitali > Ali , Holmes , Louis , "Dempsey" , Wladimir , Rocco and Jack Johnson , but McCall and 4man were real men , especially McCall .
I also believe that prime Bowe and Lewis could have posed a real test 4 Vitali . Lewis would have probably cheated like he did with Michael Grant . I wonder Y he didn't do d same with Vitali , but that was Lewis' last fight and he might have been 2 weak 2 repeat it .

[roberto duran legend]

Vitali would have been 2 much 4 Ali , Holmes and Louis but would have found prime Oliver McCall , prime George 4man 2 much 4 him . Now imagine what would have happened if he fought a trained and motivated SNV , d 1 that was never observed .

I do agree on Vitali > Ali , Holmes , Louis , "Dempsey" , Wladimir , Rocco and Jack Johnson , but McCall and 4man were real men , especially McCall .
I also believe that prime Bowe and Lewis could have posed a real test 4 Vitali . Lewis would have probably cheated like he did with Michael Grant . I wonder Y he didn't do d same with Vitali , but that was Lewis' last fight and he might have been 2 weak 2 repeat it .

Vitali is better than Ali,but not a prime McCall, Lordy Lordy,
i have heard it all now.

[AdamGB]

So Foreman would be too much for Vitali and Vitali would be too much for Ali but Ali could cope with Foreman's power but Ali couldn't cope with Vitali's strength but foreman was too much for vitali and - fuck I've gone cross eyed

[captainanddew]

this is the dumbest thread in history. the original poster needs to get a CT scan done on his brain immediately. he is only one step above drooling in an uncontrollable fashion.

[frankenfrank]

So Foreman would be too much for Vitali and Vitali would be too much for Ali but Ali could cope with Foreman's power but Ali couldn't cope with Vitali's strength but foreman was too much for vitali and - fuck I've gone cross eyed

D Zaire fight is d biggest scam in d history of d sport that i know of .
It's completely irrelevant in regards 2 both of 4man's and Ali's legacies .
i might post a thread about it in d future but u should have known by now .
ppl just don't get d role of d loosened ropes in it .
And then it did not even end with d ropes , d heat , d crooked referee who let Ali hold behind 4man's head , 4man was possibly drugged by Dick Saddler whom was 1 of his trainers , 4man was dehydrated prior 2d fight , everything and more was against him in that fight , and no rematch also 4 a reason .

[THE PHILOSOPHER]

Vitali would have been 2 much 4 Ali , Holmes and Louis but would have found prime Oliver McCall , prime George 4man 2 much 4 him . Now imagine what would have happened if he fought a trained and motivated SNV , d 1 that was never observed .

I do agree on Vitali > Ali , Holmes , Louis , "Dempsey" , Wladimir , Rocco and Jack Johnson , but McCall and 4man were real men , especially McCall .
I also believe that prime Bowe and Lewis could have posed a real test 4 Vitali . Lewis would have probably cheated like he did with Michael Grant . I wonder Y he didn't do d same with Vitali , but that was Lewis' last fight and he might have been 2 weak 2 repeat it .

Vitali is better than Ali,but not a prime McCall, Lordy Lordy,
i have heard it all now.

No he's better than both of them yet still the 2nd best in his family.

Mcall SD loss to norris
Mcall UD loss to gomez.

Klitschko KO 1 norris.
Klitschko TKO 9 gomez.

[imp]

Vitali would have been 2 much 4 Ali , Holmes and Louis but would have found prime Oliver McCall , prime George 4man 2 much 4 him . Now imagine what would have happened if he fought a trained and motivated SNV , d 1 that was never observed .

I do agree on Vitali > Ali , Holmes , Louis , "Dempsey" , Wladimir , Rocco and Jack Johnson , but McCall and 4man were real men , especially McCall .
I also believe that prime Bowe and Lewis could have posed a real test 4 Vitali . Lewis would have probably cheated like he did with Michael Grant . I wonder Y he didn't do d same with Vitali , but that was Lewis' last fight and he might have been 2 weak 2 repeat it .

Vitali is better than Ali,but not a prime McCall, Lordy Lordy,
i have heard it all now.

No he's better than both of them yet still the 2nd best in his family.

Mcall SD loss to norris
Mcall UD loss to gomez.

Klitschko KO 1 norris.
Klitschko TKO 9 gomez.

We need to talk about appollo creed as well. Why wasnt he mentioned?

Alot of people love to bring up vitali achievements against an old fat lennox lewis and still lost!

Takeaway lennox lewis from vitalis history what other fight makes him the best heavyweight..?

Vitali has a great chin and terminator t-800 fighting style but please stop basing his greatness on his LOSS to mr.Lewis.

[frankenfrank]

Vitali would have been 2 much 4 Ali , Holmes and Louis but would have found prime Oliver McCall , prime George 4man 2 much 4 him . Now imagine what would have happened if he fought a trained and motivated SNV , d 1 that was never observed .

I do agree on Vitali > Ali , Holmes , Louis , "Dempsey" , Wladimir , Rocco and Jack Johnson , but McCall and 4man were real men , especially McCall .
I also believe that prime Bowe and Lewis could have posed a real test 4 Vitali . Lewis would have probably cheated like he did with Michael Grant . I wonder Y he didn't do d same with Vitali , but that was Lewis' last fight and he might have been 2 weak 2 repeat it .

Vitali is better than Ali,but not a prime McCall, Lordy Lordy,
i have heard it all now.

No he's better than both of them yet still the 2nd best in his family.

Mcall SD loss to norris
Mcall UD loss to gomez.

Klitschko KO 1 norris.
Klitschko TKO 9 gomez.

old Lewis TKO6 prime Vitali

McCall TKO2 prime Lewis


Sanders TKO2 Wladimir
Puritty TKO11 Wladimir


Vitali TKO8 Sanders
Vitali TKO11 Puritty

[Jody Lane]

Vitali would have been 2 much 4 Ali , Holmes and Louis but would have found prime Oliver McCall , prime George 4man 2 much 4 him . Now imagine what would have happened if he fought a trained and motivated SNV , d 1 that was never observed .

I do agree on Vitali > Ali , Holmes , Louis , "Dempsey" , Wladimir , Rocco and Jack Johnson , but McCall and 4man were real men , especially McCall .
I also believe that prime Bowe and Lewis could have posed a real test 4 Vitali . Lewis would have probably cheated like he did with Michael Grant . I wonder Y he didn't do d same with Vitali , but that was Lewis' last fight and he might have been 2 weak 2 repeat it .

Vitali is better than Ali,but not a prime McCall, Lordy Lordy,
i have heard it all now.

Ali beat a 6'6" critter with a clutch and grab style like that of Wladmir's named Ernie Terrell whom Ali played with. A young Ali would move in and out against slow moving Frankenstein like Vitali and get a decision I think. But that's only my opinion and I may be wrong.

[Master]

Having Valuev as the greatest is Franken Frank having a laugh. You are fun.

[DavilaJones]

Vitali would have been 2 much 4 Ali , Holmes and Louis but would have found prime Oliver McCall , prime George 4man 2 much 4 him . Now imagine what would have happened if he fought a trained and motivated SNV , d 1 that was never observed .

I do agree on Vitali > Ali , Holmes , Louis , "Dempsey" , Wladimir , Rocco and Jack Johnson , but McCall and 4man were real men , especially McCall .
I also believe that prime Bowe and Lewis could have posed a real test 4 Vitali . Lewis would have probably cheated like he did with Michael Grant . I wonder Y he didn't do d same with Vitali , but that was Lewis' last fight and he might have been 2 weak 2 repeat it .

Vitali is better than Ali,but not a prime McCall, Lordy Lordy,
i have heard it all now.

Ali beat a 6'6" critter with a clutch and grab style like that of Wladmir's named Ernie Terrell whom Ali played with. A young Ali would move in and out against slow moving Frankenstein like Vitali and get a decision I think. But that's only my opinion and I may be wrong.

If you watch Ali Vs Norton you'll see the real reason Ali lost was due to a game plan. I suppose if Ali a glaring weakness, it is that he did not like to come forward. He almost needs you to come to him so he can dance around you. That is precisely what Norton did NOT do.

Considering that with the fact that Vitali is taller and when he was younger he did throw a bit faster than he does not (no he is not nearly as fast as Ali) and the fact he has exceptional timing, you can argue with some confidence that the same result with ensue. He dodges punches pulling backward somewhat like RJJ though being a big tall heavyweight he can't do it with the quicksilver liquidity of Jones...

I've read and heard many times that Vitali is slow moving like someone fighting underwater, well If you watch the great Joe Louis and his exceptional footwork you'll see that he too was very deliberate and slow moving. Vitali moves slow but he controls the ring with very little movement. No wasted energy. Almost like a guitar player in the regards that you want to use the least amount of energy to get the result you want.

Long story short, at the end of the day it is all subjective. If Vitali would time travel and beat Ali 10 times out of time would it mean he's the best of all time or that he has the game plan and the style to beat Ali like Norton did, who knows...I don't.

I'll say this much with certainty. He is far better than his younger brother due to three attributes that his brother lacks or lacks in comparison; his chin, his stamina, and his timing. I dare say because of the very last one he is perhaps truly deserving of the title of one of the greatest.

[brocktonblockbust]

Some fair points , but you are also saying Vitali could beat film actor Dolph Lundgrin who played the fictional Ivan Drago ?

haha DLA I was thınkıng the same thıng--- Dolph would smoke hım ın 6.

[Beanz]

@frankenfrank the moment anyone reads 4man the rest of your posts become blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah. If you can't be bothered to type Fore, your attention span is poor.