What is "israel"? Somebody please....?

[brocktonblockbust]

what IS it? Actually. İs it, like, what a fıctıtıous character named "Moses" said that "God" told him?
So OK let me get this straight---the Romans scattered the 12 tribes out in 40 A.D......uhhh, errrr, that's about 2000 years ago. So these "Jews" went all way to Russia, Poland, England, way back then, huh?

So OK---2000 years later ın 1948 an "israel" was forcibly created in Palestine. Hmmmmm..... thats when "terrorism" started. Gee, I wonder what the solution is. Ohh---there are MORE UN SEC COUNCIL RESOLTUTIONS agaınst this "israel" than any other country on earth. They do not comply. Bomb them.

They do not comply. BOMB THEM. That's why they bombed Hussein right? "FAILURE TO COMPLY WITH SEC COUNCIL RESOLUTIONS". Gee ıs there a DOUBLE STANDARD PERHAPS?

OH HOW ABOUT THIS "İSRAEL" has plenty of nuclear bombs. But they want to bomb Iran for maybe havıng a nuclear weapon wıthın a few years? Gee ıs there any double standard here?

[Gandalf]

The creation of the state of Israel was a terrible blunder and has only ever caused trouble in the region. Countless wars, the continued degredation of the Palestinians. It was absurd to create Israel. On that basis you should really kick out the whities in America and create a new United States of Native Americans. Then you look at Israel today and they are using the same methods that manifest destiny Americans used. We will take land by force, we will degrade you, manipulate you. There will be no peace until we have all the land. Those that live within our borders shall be denied rights and work as serfs. It is exactly the same and the world created this and though it was a good idea? It is a blot on the planet.

[brocktonblockbust]

The creation of the state of Israel was a terrible blunder and has only ever caused trouble in the region. Countless wars, the continued degredation of the Palestinians. It was absurd to create Israel. On that basis you should really kick out the whities in America and create a new United States of Native Americans. Then you look at Israel today and they are using the same methods that manifest destiny Americans used. We will take land by force, we will degrade you, manipulate you. There will be no peace until we have all the land. Those that live within our borders shall be denied rights and work as serfs. It is exactly the same and the world created this and though it was a good idea? It is a blot on the planet.

thıs

[Beanz]

The creation of the state of Israel was a terrible blunder and has only ever caused trouble in the region. Countless wars, the continued degredation of the Palestinians. It was absurd to create Israel. On that basis you should really kick out the whities in America and create a new United States of Native Americans. Then you look at Israel today and they are using the same methods that manifest destiny Americans used. We will take land by force, we will degrade you, manipulate you. There will be no peace until we have all the land. Those that live within our borders shall be denied rights and work as serfs. It is exactly the same and the world created this and though it was a good idea? It is a blot on the planet.

That is a very simplistic and ill informed description of a propaganda based media construct that no doubt feels very comfortable to you and your view of the world. It allows for both a knowing sense of superiority, an opportunity for self hatred and comes with a winning side order of self righteous indignation. It paints a world in which you can ignore refugees (not including the 850 000 expelled from Arab nations between 1948-1951) pretend that despotic warring Arab leaders who practised torture and denied basic human rights, including the opportunity to vote from their own citizens, never happened. It does nothing to acknowledge the rights of atheist, Christian and Muslim citizens the chance to live in a safe country free from attack and furthers your own racist agenda in aligning a multi-racial country in which thousands of Black Ethiopian Jews are afforded the exact same status as white people with your previous assertions that Israel is like South African apartheid or the extermination of Native Americans.

The objection and disdain for non muslim people is a common place phenomena across the middle east and in countries conquered by Islam but the idea of tolerance and acceptance is enshrined into the very idea of Jewishness that has benefited your own culture here in England since Medieval times. This does not make the bombing of civilians by a political state acceptable but neither does it excuse your own easy portrayal of anybody who is not English,American,or Israeli as victims.

[Dia bando]

When a race of the people, have been persecuted and exterminated you would think, they would not
do the same thing to others. This is a very said state of affairs,the middle east is a melting pot of troubles, People looking for a better way of life,and for some just death sorry to say it no quick fix, I
don't no if I will see peace in my life time.

[El Kabong]

Israel was created out of the British mandate. Israel have played by the rules, they got attacked, they whupped the dog shit out of everyone who attacked them & they took the high grounds away from their enemies to protect their citizens and now we hear a lot of whining from these enemies who want those lands back. Why? Well they want those lands back so they can attack Israel again. Israel has been as peaceful as it can be considring who surrounds them.

Palestinians launch hundreds of rockets into Israel and Israel uses a defense system to blew up the rockets and then does a surgical strike to take out a Hamas Military leader. Who's attacking the citizens? Hamas. Who is trying to play by the rules? Israel.

Why on earth would you support the Palestinians? They only exist as a rallying cry for the Arabs & Persians neither group has offered any REAL help to them.

[VictorCharlie]

Lyle I don't take issue with anything in your post but the settlements are a different issue. I support Israels right to defend themselves and do it pro-actively with pre-emptive strikes if they deem it necessary but I can't support an active attempt to expand their borders through settlements.

[therealremi]

When a race of the people, have been persecuted and exterminated you would think, they would not
do the same thing to others.

Surprise, surprise. When Soviets took over Poland after defeating Germans, they recruited lots of Jews into the new communist puppet regime. One of the first thing they did was setup concentration camps for German civilians and for local people whom the communists considered enemies. The inmates were no "nazis" or "collaborators", just innocent civilians, women and children.
American journalist John Sack wrote a book about this inglorious and unknown episode of Jewish history "Eye for an eye", only to be called antisemite... which is funny because Sack was Jewish.
Actually the title of that book is misleading, or rather complete BS because the word "revenge" implies that justice has been served. In reality, I don't think 1% of the inmates deserved to be imprisoned, starved, tortured and murdered in those camps.
BTW the commander of the most famous camp - Salomon Morel fled to Israel before the new democratic Polish authorities could sentence him. Israel successfully resisted his extradition to Poland.

[Beanz]

The creation of the state of Israel was a terrible blunder and has only ever caused trouble in the region. Countless wars, the continued degredation of the Palestinians. It was absurd to create Israel. On that basis you should really kick out the whities in America and create a new United States of Native Americans. Then you look at Israel today and they are using the same methods that manifest destiny Americans used. We will take land by force, we will degrade you, manipulate you. There will be no peace until we have all the land. Those that live within our borders shall be denied rights and work as serfs. It is exactly the same and the world created this and though it was a good idea? It is a blot on the planet.

That is a very simplistic and ill informed description of a propaganda based media construct that no doubt feels very comfortable to you and your view of the world. It allows for both a knowing sense of superiority, an opportunity for self hatred and comes with a winning side order of self righteous indignation. It paints a world in which you can ignore refugees (not including the 850 000 expelled from Arab nations between 1948-1951) pretend that despotic warring Arab leaders who practised torture and denied basic human rights, including the opportunity to vote from their own citizens, never happened. It does nothing to acknowledge the rights of atheist, Christian and Muslim citizens the chance to live in a safe country free from attack and furthers your own racist agenda in aligning a multi-racial country in which thousands of Black Ethiopian Jews are afforded the exact same status as white people with your previous assertions that Israel is like South African apartheid or the extermination of Native Americans.

The objection and disdain for non muslim people is a common place phenomena across the middle east and in countries conquered by Islam but the idea of tolerance and acceptance is enshrined into the very idea of Jewishness that has benefited your own culture here in England since Medieval times. This does not make the bombing of civilians by a political state acceptable but neither does it excuse your own easy portrayal of anybody who is not English,American,or Israeli as victims.

I wholeheartedly apologise for being opinionated. Here is my first post in the thread (post 4) where I am so obviously backing off Miles and sucking up to Lyle who had not even posted yet.

[TitoFan]

I don't think "Dale" can hold a candle to you, Beanie.
You're head and shoulders above this guy.

[Gandalf]

Yes, I made no sense in my last post. However, now everyone is posting nonsense. What's the deal with this thread?

I did like Braveheart. I would love to see the Arabs do that to the Israelis.

[IamInuit]

The creation of the state of Israel was a terrible blunder and has only ever caused trouble in the region. Countless wars, the continued degredation of the Palestinians. It was absurd to create Israel. On that basis you should really kick out the whities in America and create a new United States of Native Americans. Then you look at Israel today and they are using the same methods that manifest destiny Americans used. We will take land by force, we will degrade you, manipulate you. There will be no peace until we have all the land. Those that live within our borders shall be denied rights and work as serfs. It is exactly the same and the world created this and though it was a good idea? It is a blot on the planet.

Sorta like your British empire or American Empire? Is any other country on earth encased in such a geographic imperative? I think not. And Britain put them there. The Jews were in the area for thousands of years and they were systematically refused entry to countless countries. Of course Britain and the allies were going to look at origin.

Israel must cease and desist in expansion and find a 2 state solution. Or the Grandkids of today's Grankids will be dealing with this a hundred years from now.

[Gandalf]

The creation of the state of Israel was a terrible blunder and has only ever caused trouble in the region. Countless wars, the continued degredation of the Palestinians. It was absurd to create Israel. On that basis you should really kick out the whities in America and create a new United States of Native Americans. Then you look at Israel today and they are using the same methods that manifest destiny Americans used. We will take land by force, we will degrade you, manipulate you. There will be no peace until we have all the land. Those that live within our borders shall be denied rights and work as serfs. It is exactly the same and the world created this and though it was a good idea? It is a blot on the planet.

Sorta like your British empire or American Empire? Is any other country on earth encased in such a geographic imperative? I think not. And Britain put them there. The Jews were in the area for thousands of years and they were systematically refused entry to countless countries. Of course Britain and the allies were going to look at origin.

Israel must cease and desist in expansion and find a 2 state solution. Or the Grandkids of today's Grankids will be dealing with this a hundred years from now.

No different to the immoral act of taking land by force commited by far too many regimes in world history. I condemn America and its poodle Britain and in turn condemn Israel which was largely created through years of pressure.

The numbers have already been shown in previous posts. Arabs were the people who lived in the region, Jews were just a tiny proportion.

The wrong has been perpetrated (outrageous state creation) and so now a 2 state solution is a must, but likewise, the settlements need to come down. The 1967 borders are agreed by practically everyone and thus they are the roadmap to peace. It is Israel and America that refuse to participate in anything just.

[IamInuit]

The creation of the state of Israel was a terrible blunder and has only ever caused trouble in the region. Countless wars, the continued degredation of the Palestinians. It was absurd to create Israel. On that basis you should really kick out the whities in America and create a new United States of Native Americans. Then you look at Israel today and they are using the same methods that manifest destiny Americans used. We will take land by force, we will degrade you, manipulate you. There will be no peace until we have all the land. Those that live within our borders shall be denied rights and work as serfs. It is exactly the same and the world created this and though it was a good idea? It is a blot on the planet.

Sorta like your British empire or American Empire? Is any other country on earth encased in such a geographic imperative? I think not. And Britain put them there. The Jews were in the area for thousands of years and they were systematically refused entry to countless countries. Of course Britain and the allies were going to look at origin.

Israel must cease and desist in expansion and find a 2 state solution. Or the Grandkids of today's Grankids will be dealing with this a hundred years from now.

No different to the immoral act of taking land by force commited by far too many regimes in world history. I condemn America and its poodle Britain and in turn condemn Israel which was largely created through years of pressure.

The numbers have already been shown in previous posts. Arabs were the people who lived in the region, Jews were just a tiny proportion.

The wrong has been perpetrated (outrageous state creation) and so now a 2 state solution is a must, but likewise, the settlements need to come down. The 1967 borders are agreed by practically everyone and thus they are the roadmap to peace. It is Israel and America that refuse to participate in anything just.

Simplistic. When the Jews were granted territory in 1948 after their scourge in Europe since the Bolshevik revolution its because nobody post world war 2 would take them as they were deemed something other then human. The problem is eternal and will never end because of Israels expansionism. Thee expansionism is based on the conflict not ending.

[TysonBomb]

Israel is an oppressive, malignant cancerous proxy state that lays a false claim to the land of Palestine. It serves a purpose of creating disorder and constant conflict between itself and the neighboring states surrounding it.

It has been encroaching upon Palestinian land for decades under the guise of "self defense" and has been actively annexing it.