Juan Manuel Marquez, clean or not?

[Chino]

I enjoyed seeing Pacquiao go down the way he did but at the same time the first time I saw Juan Ma ripped I had started to wonder what was going on. To have a conditioning coach in his corner with a shady past makes you go hhhhmmm. I really really really hope there are no surprises coming December 17th when the results are out. What do you guys think?

Juan Manuel Marquez says "I am a clean fighter," according to report - ESPN

[Second2None]

Can't say for sure, but meer speculations nowadays. IMO...heredia does have a questioning if not shady past plus his youtube evidence. All in all...i think 24/7 year ly random testing should be enforced.

[Howlin Mad Missy]

I enjoyed seeing Pacquiao go down the way he did but at the same time the first time I saw Juan Ma ripped I had started to wonder what was going on. To have that shady conditioning coach in his corner and all. I really really really hope there are no surprises coming December 17th when the results are up. What do you guys think?

Juan Manuel Marquez says "I am a clean fighter," according to report - ESPN

he said he's for olympic style testing.

[Chino]

I enjoyed seeing Pacquiao go down the way he did but at the same time the first time I saw Juan Ma ripped I had started to wonder what was going on. To have that shady conditioning coach in his corner and all. I really really really hope there are no surprises coming December 17th when the results are up. What do you guys think?

Juan Manuel Marquez says "I am a clean fighter," according to report - ESPN

he said he's for olympic style testing.

He did say that but it was AFTER the fight. They didn't follow olympic style testing for this one. Not something Pacquiao and Bob Arum support.

[IamInuit]

I enjoyed seeing Pacquiao go down the way he did but at the same time the first time I saw Juan Ma ripped I had started to wonder what was going on. To have that shady conditioning coach in his corner and all. I really really really hope there are no surprises coming December 17th when the results are up. What do you guys think?

Juan Manuel Marquez says "I am a clean fighter," according to report - ESPN

he said he's for olympic style testing.

He did say that but it was AFTER the fight. They didn't follow olympic style testing for this one. Not something Pacquiao and Bob Arum support.

He offered to do whatever testing they wanted to get the fight and was pretty much the same size in the last fight. Of course that would have meant that Manny would have to do the same testing. He only weighed 143 for this one. A pound heavier then last time. The punch that ended it would have ko'd anyone in the division and no doubt several people north it was landed so perfectly. He had 4 fights to get it right and it was obvious they concentrated on the right hand in camp. Also keep in mind that a couple of pounds of muscle put on through weight training looks a lot more exaggerated on smaller guys. He gets the benefit of doubt in my book.

[Onix]

Marquez testing positive for PED's would be a blow as huge to Mexican fight fans as it was for Philipino fight fans to see Manny laying on the floor...

I'm not much of a super religious man but I pray JMM didnt embaress himself, the sport, his fans, and his country in order to get a win over PacMan.

[Howlin Mad Missy]

I enjoyed seeing Pacquiao go down the way he did but at the same time the first time I saw Juan Ma ripped I had started to wonder what was going on. To have that shady conditioning coach in his corner and all. I really really really hope there are no surprises coming December 17th when the results are up. What do you guys think?

Juan Manuel Marquez says "I am a clean fighter," according to report - ESPN

he said he's for olympic style testing.

He did say that but it was AFTER the fight. They didn't follow olympic style testing for this one. Not something Pacquiao and Bob Arum support.

AND before in response to Roach accusing him of cheating

[Chino]

He offered to do whatever testing they wanted to get the fight and was pretty much the same size in the last fight. Of course that would have meant that Manny would have to do the same testing. He only weighed 143 for this one. A pound heavier then last time. The punch that ended it would have ko'd anyone in the division and no doubt several people north it was landed so perfectly. He had 4 fights to get it right and it was obvious they concentrated on the right hand in camp. Also keep in mind that a couple of pounds of muscle put on through weight training looks a lot more exaggerated on smaller guys. He gets the benefit of doubt in my book.

I thought about that too. The way that punch landed could have knocked out anybody in the division. Good points! Why do we have to wait until Monday?! Aaaarrrggghh!
Onix,
Yes, it would be a huge disappointment for Mexican boxing fans as bad as Filipinos who saw their guy go down the way he did.

I enjoyed seeing Pacquiao go down the way he did but at the same time the first time I saw Juan Ma ripped I had started to wonder what was going on. To have that shady conditioning coach in his corner and all. I really really really hope there are no surprises coming December 17th when the results are up. What do you guys think?

Juan Manuel Marquez says "I am a clean fighter," according to report - ESPN

he said he's for olympic style testing.

He did say that but it was AFTER the fight. They didn't follow olympic style testing for this one. Not something Pacquiao and Bob Arum support.

AND before in response to Roach accusing him of cheating

Good to hear that. Man! I just hope everything is fine with the results and Olympic style testing is reinforced regardless of Monday’s outcome.

[MMASUX]

I think he's clean. Like it was said, i think that punch drops everybody in the division. I thought he was all for random testing but Arum said no? I don't think it's out of the questions for a guy to train 4 months with a personal trainer and put on some muscle. I guess we will find out on the 17th.

[Beanflicker]

he said he's for olympic style testing.

Olympic style testing can be cheated.

This day and age, unless you're truly niave, you have to acknowledge the fact that your favorite boxers either ARE or HAVE used some type of banned performance enhancer. The tests have been proven to be HIGHLY cheatable, so not pissing hot is not really a strong indicator.

Whether JMM is using or not has no relevance in the Pac fight, however, because Pac is probably the most suspect guy in boxing when it comes to PED usage.

[Howlin Mad Missy]

he said he's for olympic style testing.

Olympic style testing can be cheated.

This day and age, unless you're truly niave, you have to acknowledge the fact that your favorite boxers either ARE or HAVE used some type of banned performance enhancer. The tests have been proven to be HIGHLY cheatable, so not pissing hot is not really a strong indicator.

Whether JMM is using or not has no relevance in the Pac fight, however, because Pac is probably the most suspect guy in boxing when it comes to PED usage.

So let's not bother with anything then

[Beanflicker]

So let's not bother with anything then

I'm just stating facts. People are falsely believing that Olympic style testing (and the "olympic style testing" that gets brought up in boxing isn't even true Olympic-style testing) is going to be the magic bullet that cleans up the sport, and that's just not realistic.

[DavilaJones]

I agree that any test can be cheated out of but however the filter makes it harder for most to get away with cheating. You can't ever have full proof but god damn VADA is so much better than USADA that its just saddening.

As for JMM cheating, I can't ever say he wasn't because for all he knew he could have been taking a protein shake and not knowing what it was, or he knew, or it was just a protein shake..see where I'm going with this?

Who knows, its not like he was lighting quick and in the 11th round he was still a bundle of energy, his punch output was generally less than normal and he was pivoting his shoulders and hips into his right hand ala Hearns.

[Kirkland Laing]

I enjoyed seeing Pacquiao go down the way he did but at the same time the first time I saw Juan Ma ripped I had started to wonder what was going on. To have that shady conditioning coach in his corner and all. I really really really hope there are no surprises coming December 17th when the results are up. What do you guys think?

Juan Manuel Marquez says "I am a clean fighter," according to report - ESPN

he said he's for olympic style testing.

So why not do it then? If you're going to hire a guy who is a known steroid dealer and you suddenly start looking like a Mexican Arnold Schwarzenegger then people are going to ask questions.

None of these guys are for Olympic-style drug testing, not even Mayweather. All they have to do to undergo Olympic-style testing -- that's 24/7, 365 days a year, not just in the two month buildup to a fight like Mayweather has started doing -- is to let VADA test them. VADA will do it for free, it won't cost them a penny. VADA were the people who caught Peterson and Berto.

The only boxer who has signed up with VADA is Donaire. That's it.

Drug testing by the Las Vegas commission and other state commissions is more of an IQ test than a drug test. Even the head guy at Vegas admits passing it is as easy as crossing the street. It's only a piss test on the night of the fight, you'd have to be a complete idiot to fail it.

[AdamGB]

I enjoyed seeing Pacquiao go down the way he did but at the same time the first time I saw Juan Ma ripped I had started to wonder what was going on. To have that shady conditioning coach in his corner and all. I really really really hope there are no surprises coming December 17th when the results are up. What do you guys think?

Juan Manuel Marquez says "I am a clean fighter," according to report - ESPN

he said he's for olympic style testing.

So why not do it then? If you're going to hire a guy who is a known steroid dealer and you suddenly start looking like a Mexican Arnold Schwarzenegger then people are going to ask questions.

None of these guys are for Olympic-style drug testing, not even Mayweather. All they have to do to undergo Olympic-style testing -- that's 24/7, 365 days a year, not just in the two month buildup to a fight like Mayweather has started doing -- is to let VADA test them. VADA will do it for free, it won't cost them a penny. VADA were the people who caught Peterson and Berto.

The only boxer who has signed up with VADA is Donaire. That's it.

Drug testing by the Las Vegas commission and other state commissions is more of an IQ test than a drug test. Even the head guy at Vegas admits passing it is as easy as crossing the street. It's only a piss test on the night of the fight, you'd have to be a complete idiot to fail it.

Did you forget who JMM was fighting? Why take the tests that your opponent won't? Roach raised his concerns, not Marquez so the onus falls on Roach to request them, not Marquez's camp.