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    Default Why did Michael Bentt get to fight The Duke for the world title?

    Why the hell did Michael Bentt get this fight?

    1. He only had 11 fights. (Not that bad considering Rigondeaux but Morrison was a 40 fight veteran)
    2. He was knocked out in the first round of his first fight.
    3. Of the 11 fights he had before he fought Morrison only 2 had winning records, Jerry Jones (5-1-0) who knocked him out and Mark Wills who was (14-10-1).
    4. Morrison was on a 10 fight win streak (9 KOs), seems like a step backwards.


    I was 8 so I don't know a great deal about him but did he really deserve to fight for a world title? Was he that good?

    I have no problem with him winning it, that happens, but I question how much he deserved to be in the fight to begin with.

    It's ashame that he had to retire after his next fight, because if he was that good we missed out.
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    Default Re: Why did Michael Bentt get to fight The Duke for the world title?

    The reason he got the fight is that he was expected to lose.

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    Default Re: Why did Michael Bentt get to fight The Duke for the world title?

    He was a stay busy fight.

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    Default Re: Why did Michael Bentt get to fight The Duke for the world title?

    Quote Originally Posted by Violent Demise View Post
    He was a stay busy fight.
    He had 10 fights in 2 years, doesn't seem necessary!
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    Default Re: Why did Michael Bentt get to fight The Duke for the world title?

    Quote Originally Posted by Vendettos View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Violent Demise View Post
    He was a stay busy fight.
    He had 10 fights in 2 years, doesn't seem necessary!
    I have no idea why he took it either. The fight with Lennox Lewis was already signed. The loss cost him 7 million. Actually 5. Since he still ended up fighting Lewis a couple of years later for 2 million

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    Default Re: Why did Michael Bentt get to fight The Duke for the world title?

    Quote Originally Posted by Violent Demise View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Vendettos View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Violent Demise View Post
    He was a stay busy fight.
    He had 10 fights in 2 years, doesn't seem necessary!
    I have no idea why he took it either. The fight with Lennox Lewis was already signed. The loss cost him 7 million. Actually 5. Since he still ended up fighting Lewis a couple of years later for 2 million
    Agreed, pretty much everyone he fought had already been knocked out and had decent careers, lots of video on them and the knowledge that he can knock them out.

    But Bentt, a pretty good amatuer (multiple medels), got knocked out in his debut, which you could put down to a bad start, but there couldn't have been much video on him because he fought noone, and I wonder of the Duke even trained.
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    Default Re: Why did Michael Bentt get to fight The Duke for the world title?

    wbo was fairly new at the time, had only been around a few years, and nobody considered that wbo title as a legitimate World title, nor did anyone view Tommy Morrison as a World Heavyweight Champion.

    It was a bauble or trinket that might help lead to a shot at the real Heavyweight Championship held by Riddick Bowe at the time or maybe the other Title held by Lennox Lewis. Bowe and Holyfield were doing the trilogy at the time.

    Bentt was supposed to be a tuneup fight to prepare Morrison for a shot against Lennox Lewis who held the Title that Bowe threw in the trash rather than fight Lennox.

    The lineage for the real undisputed man-who-beat-the-man was:
    Mike Tyson
    James Buster Douglas
    Evander Holyfield
    Riddick Bowe
    Evander Holyfield
    Michael Moorer
    George Foreman

    Lennox Lewis had been there since the Bowe/Holyfield fights. Bowe had won the undisputed Title from Holyfield(WBA, WBC, IBF), but basically was scared to fight Lennox, and when WBC said Lennox was the mandatory challenger, Bowe threw the WBC Title in the trash rather than fight Lennox.

    Lennox ultimately proved to be the best of them, but his recognition was a long time in coming as he kept fighting the best opponents available to him, and some top guys just wouldn't step in there with him.

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    Default Re: Why did Michael Bentt get to fight The Duke for the world title?

    Quote Originally Posted by bradlee180 View Post
    wbo was fairly new at the time, had only been around a few years, and nobody considered that wbo title as a legitimate World title, nor did anyone view Tommy Morrison as a World Heavyweight Champion.

    It was a bauble or trinket that might help lead to a shot at the real Heavyweight Championship held by Riddick Bowe at the time or maybe the other Title held by Lennox Lewis. Bowe and Holyfield were doing the trilogy at the time.

    Bentt was supposed to be a tuneup fight to prepare Morrison for a shot against Lennox Lewis who held the Title that Bowe threw in the trash rather than fight Lennox.

    The lineage for the real undisputed man-who-beat-the-man was:
    Mike Tyson
    James Buster Douglas
    Evander Holyfield
    Riddick Bowe
    Evander Holyfield
    Michael Moorer
    George Foreman

    Lennox Lewis had been there since the Bowe/Holyfield fights. Bowe had won the undisputed Title from Holyfield(WBA, WBC, IBF), but basically was scared to fight Lennox, and when WBC said Lennox was the mandatory challenger, Bowe threw the WBC Title in the trash rather than fight Lennox.

    Lennox ultimately proved to be the best of them, but his recognition was a long time in coming as he kept fighting the best opponents available to him, and some top guys just wouldn't step in there with him.
    I knew the WBO had only recently became big but I didn't know it was actually during my lifetime, I though maybe 70s or so.
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    Default Re: Why did Michael Bentt get to fight The Duke for the world title?

    Quote Originally Posted by Vendettos View Post
    I knew the WBO had only recently became big but I didn't know it was actually during my lifetime, I though maybe 70s or so.
    When Morrison won that wbo title, it only been in existence for maybe 3 years...

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    Default Re: Why did Michael Bentt get to fight The Duke for the world title?

    That is a great question because looking at his record he beat absolutely nobody to earn a shot at any title. I guess the Duke thought he was an easy mark. But for Bentt to even pop up on radar is interesting enough. And Bentt got beaten by Hide and vanished from boxing. Lucky lotto winner he was.

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    Default Re: Why did Michael Bentt get to fight The Duke for the world title?

    Morrison really took Bentt for granted and thought he'd plow him over. Bentt had decent exposure and a solid background but at the same time he was not fighting smart or at a high level. He looked vulnerable after Jones flattened him and didn't handle it well, lost focus big time. Mark wills opened a nasty cut on him and had him staggered badly twice in the 1st round of their fight, and landed more than a few solid wild left hooks on a stationary Bentt for a good 6 rounds. Coming off the Foreman win it wasn't a smart move by Morrison to seek it out. Bentt wasn't a bad fighter just green as a pro and unpolished but he seized his coming out in a huge way.

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    Default Re: Why did Michael Bentt get to fight The Duke for the world title?

    Morrison actually was a damn good fighter.

    Nowadays, people act like he was getting knocked out all the time, but out of 52 fights, he only lost 3.

    Of the 3 losses, 1 was to a prime Lennox Lewis, the best of the whole crop of heavies.
    The Bennt loss was an anomaly where Morrison simply got caught by a 2nd tier fighter(3rd tier?).
    The third loss was to a prime Merciless Ray Mercer, an Olympic Gold Medalist who had 2 very controversial decisions with a prime Holyfield and a prime Lennox Lewis. Both were very close fights.

    With over a thousand licensed pro boxers worldwide, Morrison was world-class enough to rate Top 4, but not Top 3 which is the elite (Tyson, Holyfield, Bowe, Lennox).

    Morrison also knocked the $#!t out of Razor Ruddock, Carl The Truth Williams, Pinklon Thomas, Joe Hipp, outboxed Big George Foreman(next fight Foreman KO'd Michael Moorer for the undisputed Champioship). They also don't know that Morrison beat the living hell out of Ray Mercer for the 1st 4 rds of that fight. Mercer had about the best chin in Boxing at the time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bradlee180 View Post
    Morrison actually was a damn good fighter.

    Nowadays, people act like he was getting knocked out all the time, but out of 52 fights, he only lost 3.

    Of the 3 losses, 1 was to a prime Lennox Lewis, the best of the whole crop of heavies.
    The Bennt loss was an anomaly where Morrison simply got caught by a 2nd tier fighter(3rd tier?).
    The third loss was to a prime Merciless Ray Mercer, an Olympic Gold Medalist who had 2 very controversial decisions with a prime Holyfield and a prime Lennox Lewis. Both were very close fights.

    With over a thousand licensed pro boxers worldwide, Morrison was world-class enough to rate Top 4, but not Top 3 which is the elite (Tyson, Holyfield, Bowe, Lennox).

    Morrison also knocked the $#!t out of Razor Ruddock, Carl The Truth Williams, Pinklon Thomas, Joe Hipp, outboxed Big George Foreman(next fight Foreman KO'd Michael Moorer for the undisputed Champioship). They also don't know that Morrison beat the living hell out of Ray Mercer for the 1st 4 rds of that fight. Mercer had about the best chin in Boxing at the time.
    He was. But it's easy to forget that part after watching Mercer damn near remove Morrison's face from his head

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    Default Re: Why did Michael Bentt get to fight The Duke for the world title?

    Quote Originally Posted by Vendettos View Post
    Why the hell did Michael Bentt get this fight?

    1. He only had 11 fights. (Not that bad considering Rigondeaux but Morrison was a 40 fight veteran)
    2. He was knocked out in the first round of his first fight.
    3. Of the 11 fights he had before he fought Morrison only 2 had winning records, Jerry Jones (5-1-0) who knocked him out and Mark Wills who was (14-10-1).
    4. Morrison was on a 10 fight win streak (9 KOs), seems like a step backwards.


    I was 8 so I don't know a great deal about him but did he really deserve to fight for a world title? Was he that good?

    I have no problem with him winning it, that happens, but I question how much he deserved to be in the fight to begin with.

    It's ashame that he had to retire after his next fight, because if he was that good we missed out.
    Fights like these happen all the time. Just that THIS time it was for a minor-recognized WBO belt (at the time), which made it easier to pull off. That AND the fact that Bentt won. With these kinds of throw-away fights, especially with a new titlist who wants to hold on to the title for more than 6 months, typically go the champ's way and the victories are pretty much slam dunk victories.

    Can't call foul now that Bentt won. lololol... because if he had lost, no one would have blinked an eye.

    The only other way you can call a foul was IF Bentt got seriously hurt- which he did, unfortunately, when he fought Herbie Hide a few months later and lost the WBO title. He never fought again after that.

    But, looking back at that fight, Morrison hit Bentt and Bentt was fighting off of the ropes. Morrison got greedy, tried to open up and got caught. You could have legitimately called the fight after the first knock down, because Morrison was out cold like fridge in Alaska with the electricity off.

    To Bentt's credit: He had a STELLAR amateur career. He was well above some of the guys in the division who had 30 plus fights at that time.

    You see? This is what most analysts miss when it comes down to analyzing fights before hand- they miss the amateur pedigree, even though it means very little if the career wasn't against top quality amateurs- which leads to my next point, and more important of all, is the GYM WORK and quality of opposition in the amateurs and in the gym.

    Guys are in the gym and sparring 30 rounds a week, at least, are semi-pro's before they turn pro.

    Guys at Kronk or Wildcard have a very different training experience than guys from "Jessy's" down in Alabama. You see?

    So, you have to be mindful of all of that. That's why some guys, even with minimum talent, can be a gym-rat and never go to any international competitions, rack up a 25 fight win record and be a champion within a few short years- sorta like how Oliver McCall beat Lewis the fist time out, and how Hasim Rahman was under-estimated when he fought Lewis for the first time.

    Both McCall and Rahman were gym rats. Club fighters who put it out there in the gym against anyone who wanted to fight- amateurs, pro's, semi-pro's, etc...

    To me, if I have a rock solid chin, with moderate punching ability and good stamina, I would take the rigors of being in the vicinity of sparring with the likes of top-pro's like Mayweather, Garcia, Broner, Paquiao, Marquez, etc.... on a daily basis at the Wildcard, Kronk or Mayweather gym, than to just have an amateur background of over 150 fights, been to the World Championships or the Olympics and other international amateur events and let that stand for itself.

    The thing, going back to Bentt, he had BOTH... quality pro-training in the right environment and the amateur pedigree.
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    Default Re: Why did Michael Bentt get to fight The Duke for the world title?

    History says Bentt won the fight , only to lose it in his next fight to a man who went on to become the GREATEST HW of all time. ( that was a quote from Hides promoter Barry Hearn , after the win ).

    A bit off the mark there Barry

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