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    Default Who had the better opponents?

    Despite Wladimir's unsurpassed record, I like Lennox Lewis better. He had a solid defence too, but he had great finishing skills, something that eludes Wladimir today. Wladimir's impressive KO's in his dominant days have come from jabbing his opponent to the brink of collapse before brutally wasting them when they're defenceless. Lewis however had proven that he could jump on his opponents early at the smell of blood and bang them out with sizzling ferocity. Manny did his job a bit TOO good with Wladimir. Sometimes Wlad's fights are almost unwatchable where as Lennox has to be one of the most exciting HW's of all time (his combination of refined skills and brutal punching was a joy to observe). And Lewis had the personality where as Wladimir is only slightly more appealing than Ivan Drago!

    But preferences aside, who had the better opponents really? I think, personally that Wladimir VS Lewis is pretty much a 50/50 proposition and that their opponents are virtually comparable.

    This notion sounds absurd to the American and British fight fan, their running opinion for the most part being that Klitschko's opponents are a pile of shit!

    Yet I have been in discussion with many East Euro fight fans and, NOT SURPRISINGLY, they claim almost the exact opposite.. That Lennox fought bums mainly. That Tyson, Holyfield, Botha, Grant, Golota, Rahman are all bums and represent his best wins and that most of Wladimir's opponents were better than what Lennox had.

    Try put yourself in their shoes and look at it this way...

    Haye destroys Grant, Thompson beats up the version of Tyson that Lewis fought, Chambers outboxes Tua every day of the week, Ibragimov has bashed Briggs and Holyfield, Peter pulverises Botha, Chagaev outboxes Golota and so on...

    As you can see there is no clear cut solution, if your honest, and neither party can really rely on statistics to say with any degree of certainty that either Lennox or Wladimir had the better opponents.
    It's a stalemate, I am forced to declare that they are atleast comparable.
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    Default Re: Who had the better opponents?

    Thompson wouldn't "beat up" Tyson if he fought him now let alone back then. Ibragimov "bashed" Holy/Briggs almost 10 years after Lewis beat them. I think it's pretty safe to say they were a little bit fresher 10 years before.

    Eddie Chambers might beat Tua running for his life. Peter might get "lucky" against Botha but makes Botha look super slick skilled. Golota coming off smashing Riddick Bowes balls in would start a big favourite over Chagaev. Haye might have KO'd Grant but I wouldn't bank on it. Grant was an unbeaten, athletic giant when he fought Lewis.

    In fact, you could have used a bunch of other Lewis victims to face this lot - Ruddock, Mercer, Morrison, Bruno, Rahman, McCall. Fuck... you can even throw Akinwande and Gary Mason in there.

    So lets be honest - if your friends are claiming Lewis beat a load of "bums" compared to Wlad, they are complete and utter idiots. Fact.
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    Default Re: Who had the better opponents?

    Bilbo That you buddy

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    Default Re: Who had the better opponents?

    Yes, yes of course the match ups can either be disputed or rearranged to show Lewis' superiority, that's given. Fact is in Europe this sort of mindset is mainstream.

    I think that their opponents are quite comparable personally although I would not go so far as to say Wlad had better. Not by a long shot.
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    Default Re: Who had the better opponents?

    Wlads opponents have been awful in comparison, your own wonderful Michael Grant who you rate so highly, was blasted by Lewis. Wlad can only beat what is in front of him which he does and do that consistently over a period of time which he does but he does not always do it in a convincing manner against fighters he should.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Master View Post
    Wlads opponents have been awful in comparison, your own wonderful Michael Grant who you rate so highly, was blasted by Lewis. Wlad can only beat what is in front of him which he does and do that consistently over a period of time which he does but he does not always do it in a convincing manner against fighters he should.
    Convinving manner? He rarely looses a round. Don't ya mean in a devastating or exciting manner?

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    Default Re: Who had the better opponents?

    Quote Originally Posted by Max Power View Post
    Yes, yes of course the match ups can either be disputed or rearranged to show Lewis' superiority, that's given. Fact is in Europe this sort of mindset is mainstream.

    I think that their opponents are quite comparable personally although I would not go so far as to say Wlad had better. Not by a long shot.
    Well, as you started the thread, you might as well have a go at explaining why Wlad's opposition is comparable?
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    Default Re: Who had the better opponents?

    For the first time , I now seem clear , just ban this clown it is all just a piss take.
    Bilbo you are not welcome.
    I dunno who your Middle Earth friend is but I assure you I'm an original. If this Bilbo character was an antagonist of yours though then I can already judge he must have been a helluva bloke!
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    Default Re: Who had the better opponents?

    Quote Originally Posted by Spicoli View Post
    Bilbo That you buddy
    For the first time , I now seem clear , just ban this clown it is all just a piss take.
    Bilbo you are not welcome.

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