London will be overrun by 29 million Romanians and Bulgarians

[brocktonblockbust]

[Andre]

My God, we should all put in and open a caravan sales and giant trailer park in Britian!

[ryanman]

It won't be. Stop believing Nigel Farage Brock!

[Gandalf]

I agree with Farage, though obviously not every person in those countries will go to the UK. What he is saying is that the opportunities for uncontrolled immigration are there and shouldn't be. If you are from a poor country then of course you would take advantage of a country like the UK. Just look at the supposed official figures. Every year you have the number coming in being about 200,000 more than those going out and how many of them are going to go on and become British citizen's, give birth, send children to school not speaking English well enough to handle schoolwork, using the welfare state etc? In reality the numbers are probably much higher.

The numbers are outrageous really, but if you criticise it then you are labelled a zealot, a xenophobe, etc. The people leaving the UK are typically Brits who have given up and of course the numbers are fewer as those English people are not free to ship in entire families as the places they go to such as Australia take these things more seriously and rightly so.

Uncontrolled immigration drives down wages, burdens the welfare state, forces property prices to rise, and those people are more likely to give birth and thus you end up with places like Bradford where there are seemingly no ethnic English people. Go to a hotel in London and you are seldom ever going to meet an English person. It's bizarre.

Immigration should only be for people who can provide a skill that the country cannot provide. Otherwise, if you can find any native person to clean the toilets, then you should think about paying a suitable amount. You don't expect governments to just open up borders and allow markets to 'correct' themselves with an influx of cheap labour.

File:UK net migration.png - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

[Andre]

I agree with Farage, though obviously not every person in those countries will go to the UK. What he is saying is that the opportunities for uncontrolled immigration are there and shouldn't be. If you are from a poor country then of course you would take advantage of a country like the UK. Just look at the supposed official figures. Every year you have the number coming in being about 200,000 more than those going out and how many of them are going to go on and become British citizen's, give birth, send children to school not speaking English well enough to handle schoolwork, using the welfare state etc? In reality the numbers are probably much higher.

The numbers are outrageous really, but if you criticise it then you are labelled a zealot, a xenophobe, etc. The people leaving the UK are typically Brits who have given up and of course the numbers are fewer as those English people are not free to ship in entire families as the places they go to such as Australia take these things more seriously and rightly so.

Uncontrolled immigration drives down wages, burdens the welfare state, forces property prices to rise, and those people are more likely to give birth and thus you end up with places like Bradford where there are seemingly no ethnic English people. Go to a hotel in London and you are seldom ever going to meet an English person. It's bizarre.

Immigration should only be for people who can provide a skill that the country cannot provide. Otherwise, if you can find any native person to clean the toilets, then you should think about paying a suitable amount. You don't expect governments to just open up borders and allow markets to 'correct' themselves with an influx of cheap labour.

File:UK net migration.png - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

That chart towrds the end shows as many jumping ship as there are getting on. Wonder if that trend will keep up? I can imagine who are jumping ship (the ones who are caught in the middle ground and can afford to leave). If you are mega rich you are un effected in your secure set up, if you are poor you can do nothing about sharing your situation with all new comers.

I am right to expect the gap will grow between the extremes by the middle class bailing out on you, or is this gap what they are trying to fill by opening your doors to further immigration from these areas?

Or are we talking straight trade offs in other financial areas here?

Theres a lot to this, I only learnt last night that Australia feeds triple its own population in food exports, you havent that kind of set up, so I wonder what the effects will be on your over all state of affairs in imports feeding a few more million?

I imagine your services will be stretched to their limits and more cuts to funding will arise if the wrong people are let in?
@ryanman , Really what Im asking here; is there a smart reason Im missing as to why they are opening the doors to England? Or is this stuff he is shown saying in front of Parliament just not true?

[Gandalf]

I agree with Farage, though obviously not every person in those countries will go to the UK. What he is saying is that the opportunities for uncontrolled immigration are there and shouldn't be. If you are from a poor country then of course you would take advantage of a country like the UK. Just look at the supposed official figures. Every year you have the number coming in being about 200,000 more than those going out and how many of them are going to go on and become British citizen's, give birth, send children to school not speaking English well enough to handle schoolwork, using the welfare state etc? In reality the numbers are probably much higher.

The numbers are outrageous really, but if you criticise it then you are labelled a zealot, a xenophobe, etc. The people leaving the UK are typically Brits who have given up and of course the numbers are fewer as those English people are not free to ship in entire families as the places they go to such as Australia take these things more seriously and rightly so.

Uncontrolled immigration drives down wages, burdens the welfare state, forces property prices to rise, and those people are more likely to give birth and thus you end up with places like Bradford where there are seemingly no ethnic English people. Go to a hotel in London and you are seldom ever going to meet an English person. It's bizarre.

Immigration should only be for people who can provide a skill that the country cannot provide. Otherwise, if you can find any native person to clean the toilets, then you should think about paying a suitable amount. You don't expect governments to just open up borders and allow markets to 'correct' themselves with an influx of cheap labour.

File:UK net migration.png - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

That chart towrds the end shows as many jumping ship as there are getting on. Wonder if that trend will keep up? I can imagine who are jumping ship (the ones who are caught in the middle ground and can afford to leave). If you are mega rich you are un effected in your secure set up, if you are poor you can do nothing about sharing your situation with all new comers.

I am right to expect the gap will grow between the extremes by the middle class bailing out on you, or is this gap what they are trying to fill by opening your doors to further immigration from these areas?

Or are we talking straight trade offs in other financial areas here?

Theres a lot to this, I only learnt last night that Australia feeds triple its own population in food exports, you havent that kind of set up, so I wonder what the effects will be on your over all state of affairs in imports feeding a few more million?

I imagine your services will be stretched to their limits and more cuts to funding will arise if the wrong people are let in?
@ryanman , Really what Im asking here; is there a smart reason Im missing as to why they are opening the doors to England? Or is this stuff he is shown saying in front of Parliament just not true?

There are a fair few leaving, but year on year the numbers coming in are typically hundreds of thousands more. In reality, the government has no idea how many people have truly come and gone. There are no actual checks done on this, so realistically you would have to assume the numbers are much worse than what the government will ever let on.

You make a valid point in that those native people who leave will include people who can afford to leave permanently. Maybe older people looking for somewhere warmer, maybe some of them are those who are from overseas, but have left again, others will be educated English leaving for work overseas. Year on year though, you see the numbers coming in to be far greater than those going out and of course most countries do not have porous borders like the UK. So on that basis you would have to assume middle class people who have planned for the future and educated English natives are a fair proportion of those who are leaving.

The reasons for the unchecked immigration are not entirely explained by the consecutive governments who simply refuse to deal in frankness. One possible reason is that Labour wanted working class people to flood the electorate in order to guarantee reelection as they will typically lean towards Labour, another obvious reason is the EU free trade of labour, the other possible reason was likely to allow smaller businesses an adundance of cheap labour.

The middle classes have not really been bailing out as they were being sunk before any of this became recognised as a serious societal problem. The 1980's saw unions being dismantled and the country becoming privatised. Then the lie of globalisation became the mantra and factories relocated overseas, to plug the gap at home labour markets were largely opened up.

Personally, I think the entire issue is cynical and was calculated. Britain is a corporatist country and if poor Polish people will do the work for less, then any normal business man will utilise that. After all business is money and little more. The wealth continued to be funneled upwards, and with the global depression, the final excuse to batter ordinary people was in place. 'We are all in it together' was the mantra. Britain literally is a place where they are all in it together and still they are being crammed in. The rich are either barricaded or own several homes to be rented to plebs at extortionate rates and still see the value go up 3 times faster than average wage increases.

Rents are unaffordable in the UK and young people will never own a home. Interestingly enough 75% of all new homes in the UK are bought by foreigners. The country is being eaten alive. If I was a football player earning 150,000 pounds a week, I could buy a house every two weeks, rent them out, and be raking in the money. It doesn't take many rich foreigners to entirely warp a country. From rich to poor, the country has been sold to foreigners.

But hush, one mustn't appear to be criticising the masterplan. Recently the UK media had an 'immigration week' push. Really, a very cynical thing all things considered.

[imp]

None of this affects nigel farage or any of the mps.

If it doesnt affect their gated communities and their childrens children private education then there isnt a problem.(not knocking private schools)

Mps will get there rise and in a few months everyone will start to forget again about their sordid history.

Theres nothing wrong with the majority of the romanians who happen to be murderers and drug dealers and criminal records that no one knows about...what im really worried about is mike tyson coming to the uk..thats our main concern.

[Dropanuke]

Good bye England!!

And all the do gooders who believe everyone is welcome and equal should've dropped into Iraq

[Dropanuke]

This is England and shouldn't be any other way

[Beanz]

This is England and shouldn't be any other way

Says the man who thought Hitler had a point and so did the IRA. This country was built by immigrants and populated by immigrants from time immemorial. To deny this is not to love England but to deny it's very lifeblood and I love England.

[Dark Lord Al]

This is England and shouldn't be any other way

Says the man who thought Hitler had a point and so did the IRA. This country was built by immigrants and populated by immigrants from time immemorial. To deny this is not to love England but to deny it's very lifeblood and I love England.

Our schools a full,the jails are full, the Heath service is at breaking point , and we are bust as a country , so we need more migrants why ?
And for the record I'd string the bankers and any dodgy official by the balls. I would also like to ask why are the people who a coming here all from poor countries ?
Well in most cases they are on the make.
Close borders and sort out this mess, including making the people on benefits work for the handouts, how can you need foreign workers when we have a dole queue? Make these cunts work.

[ryanman]

This is England and shouldn't be any other way

Says the man who thought Hitler had a point and so did the IRA. This country was built by immigrants and populated by immigrants from time immemorial. To deny this is not to love England but to deny it's very lifeblood and I love England.

Our schools a full,the jails are full, the Heath service is at breaking point , and we are bust as a country , so we need more migrants why ?
And for the record I'd string the bankers and any dodgy official by the balls. I would also like to ask why are the people who a coming here all from poor countries ?
Well in most cases they are on the make.
Close borders and sort out this mess, including making the people on benefits work for the handouts, how can you need foreign workers when we have a dole queue? Make these cunts work.

Al, the highest number of Illegal immigrants in the UK come from Australia. Followed by the U.S.A. That is a FACT. What do you make of that?

[Andre]

This is England and shouldn't be any other way

Says the man who thought Hitler had a point and so did the IRA. This country was built by immigrants and populated by immigrants from time immemorial. To deny this is not to love England but to deny it's very lifeblood and I love England.

Our schools a full,the jails are full, the Heath service is at breaking point , and we are bust as a country , so we need more migrants why ?
And for the record I'd string the bankers and any dodgy official by the balls. I would also like to ask why are the people who a coming here all from poor countries ?
Well in most cases they are on the make.
Close borders and sort out this mess, including making the people on benefits work for the handouts, how can you need foreign workers when we have a dole queue? Make these cunts work.

Al, the highest number of Illegal immigrants in the UK come from Australia. Followed by the U.S.A. That is a FACT. What do you make of that?

So is there cash work there? I cant see how they'd get by otherwise?
Im surprised by that,they wouldnt be able to get on the dole over there, or on the health scheme,they must be young dumb party goers with a decent cash income .

[VictorCharlie]

Al, the highest number of Illegal immigrants in the UK come from Australia. Followed by the U.S.A. That is a FACT. What do you make of that?

Do you have a link supporting this? I'd never heard that and would be interested in reading about it.

[Beanz]

Brockton, with respect you have absolutely no idea what you are talking about. Members of the European community do not need a visa to work in EU countries. You are stirring shit and fostering the stereotype that certain countries and ethnic groups are more criminally inclined than others. You and Miles both think that Britain is as Satan like as the USA so don't pretend that either of you give a damn about illegal immigration. Romanian and Bulgarian citizens are as legally entitled to enter the UK and work as British citizens are free to (and do) work in their countries. Most choose to stay in their own beautiful and warmer countries or to go to Spain,France or Italy. It is very hypocritical of you and Miles to be so bothered about legal migration when neither of you are living or working in the place of your birth. Even more astounding considering you both teach English to students. Students make up a huge part of UK immigration where they pay to study , pay into the UK economy and bring back a good impression to their home country strengthening trade bonds. Immigration is a good thing for the UK and you are both coming across as Xenophobic fear mongerers. Waldorf and Statler crowing from their guilded theatre box as ordinary people try to earn a living, many of them more skilled,educated and talented than the pair of you.