Anthony Dirrell- you're brave ain't ya?

[Primo Carnera]

So according to this joker who's been World Champion about 10 seconds , he won't entertain the prospect of fighting George Groves (his mandatory)because " he ain't good enough and hasn't earnt it", but according to Eddie Hearn , he's "open to the idea of fighting Paul Smith!" Do me a fuckin favour!

[Capt. Willard]

Poor Anthony someone needs to explain the definition of mandatory to him and the fact he'll more than likely but fighting George in the uk given Sauerlands deep pockets. I give Groves a good chance of taking his title,he didn't look anything to write home about in his fights with Bika.

[p4pking]

Yep that's BS, it would be a good match and should happen. Anyone not named Ward or Froch has no business calling themselves a world champion at 168 anyways. The top two fighters in the division are very firmly established, everyone else should be gunning for them and without a sense of entitlement, or else hush about anyone else having earned anything.
Anthony Dirrell-Arthur Abraham would be the worst major title unification fight of all time, possibly?

[Beanz]

Yep that's BS, it would be a good match and should happen. Anyone not named Ward or Froch has no business calling themselves a world champion at 168 anyways. The top two fighters in the division are very firmly established, everyone else should be gunning for them and without a sense of entitlement, or else hush about anyone else having earned anything.
Anthony Dirrell-Arthur Abraham would be the worst major title unification fight of all time, possibly?

That will be almost a nailed on certainty then. What is the point of mandatory fights when they are not enforced?

[p4pking]

Yep that's BS, it would be a good match and should happen. Anyone not named Ward or Froch has no business calling themselves a world champion at 168 anyways. The top two fighters in the division are very firmly established, everyone else should be gunning for them and without a sense of entitlement, or else hush about anyone else having earned anything.
Anthony Dirrell-Arthur Abraham would be the worst major title unification fight of all time, possibly?

That will be almost a nailed on certainty then. What is the point of mandatory fights when they are not enforced?

I guess they can always keep guys in a mandatory spot for eons while trying to figure out what might bring in more money in the long run. It must be a coin toss for these bodies when they have a weak, unpopular champion. Do they try and line up crap mandatory's to milk the sanctioning fees, or throw him in a fight he'll lose in hopes the next champion will carry the belt as well and actually bring in revenue? I'm not clear on exactly how they go about fleecing boxers, as far as a percentage of purse vs a minimum fee for each fight, so it truly beats me.

What is the point of mandatory challengers when you have 4 different champions in a division, and half of them get stripped annually no matter what, is more like it. How the hell did Ward and then Froch even lose the two belts these two fringe contenders are now carrying? If Abraham signed to fight either of those guys in a rematch, it would be a laughing stock. He didn't win a single round against either guy, yet he's a world champion in the same division currently? It's a joke.

[powerpuncher]

The sad thing is that a groves fight would be great for him. It's a solid opponent with a name and very winnable. There aren't too many better options at the moment.

[Ron Swanson]

GTFOOH!
First Groves doesn't deserve another title shot. He didn't deserve the first he got. And he was stopped. The only reason he got a 2nd shot was because the ref fucked up, and he was stopped again! Now this guy that hasn't earned one shot should get his 3rd?! You all are properly delusional

And if anyone needs proof just read how in this very thread it is claimed Froch is the top guy at 168!!! Boxing fandom is pure madness. Nuthouses would be stunned to see such delusion.

[p4pking]

GTFOOH!
First Groves doesn't deserve another title shot. He didn't deserve the first he got. And he was stopped. The only reason he got a 2nd shot was because the ref fucked up, and he was stopped again! Now this guy that hasn't earned one shot should get his 3rd?! You all are properly delusional

And if anyone needs proof just read how in this very thread it is claimed Froch is the top guy at 168!!! Boxing fandom is pure madness. Nuthouses would be stunned to see such delusion.

Is this even a serious post? So standoffish for someone named after a funny guy, you make me seem cheerful. Who cares about the title Dirrell has in the first place; he won it in his 2nd try against Bika, who won it vacant against Periban after Ward was stripped for no reason. What was the difference between any of that and Groves getting another chance now. Periban was nobody and Bika had lost to everyone already. It's a fucking trinket, why should the merits of any challenger to it be so important, it's just a decent fight nothing more. Look at the WBC ratings for a laugh, or tell me who you feel is so much more worthy.. Chavez JR is still the number 1 contender for beating Brian Vera when neither had ever fought in the division. Poor guy losing out on his chance to Groves though, I guess?

[Beanflicker]

Why would he fight George Groves for the title, he's damaged goods.

[Primo Carnera]

Why would he fight George Groves for the title, he's damaged goods.

Because Groves is his mandatory. Ok, he may have the right to a voluntary, and if he wants to give that to Paul Smith, good luck to him, but he has to fight Groves after that. My point is the excuse about Groves "not being worthy", yet Paul Smith is? Does he know what happened to Smith when he fought Groves?
If Dirrell wants to fight in the States, fine , that's the Champion's prerogative, but don't start trying to make comments like you own the division when you've done fuck all in it.
Infact, what the fuck did Dirrell do in the last few years to earn title fights himself.

[Beanflicker]

Why would he fight George Groves for the title, he's damaged goods.

Because Groves is his mandatory. Ok, he may have the right to a voluntary, and if he wants to give that to Paul Smith, good luck to him, but he has to fight Groves after that. My point is the excuse about Groves "not being worthy", yet Paul Smith is? Does he know what happened to Smith when he fought Groves?
If Dirrell wants to fight in the States, fine , that's the Champion's prerogative, but don't start trying to make comments like you own the division when you've done fuck all in it.
Infact, what the fuck did Dirrell do in the last few years to earn title fights himself.

Oh yeah I'm not saying Dirrell is right, I'm just saying I can see why he doesn't want to fight Groves. He has nothing to gain because Groves is a tough fight but damaged goods. Even if Dirrell had an amazing performance and starched Groves in 30 seconds of the first round, people would just say "oh big deal, Froch already ruined him". Tough fight, nothing to gain, I can see why he's trying to avoid him.

[Beanz]

So "damaged goods" is a term applied to Groves because he has been stopped by a hard as nails active division champion but not Dirrell himself? And you are actually being serious here?

[Fenster]

Groves has a much bigger profile than Dirrell, he is still independently ranked higher by all the main boxing publications, even though Direll has that WBC belt.

Anyone that plays second fiddle to Sakio Bika, twice, on undercards, wont be calling the shots against anyone that actually has a fanbase