10-9 round with a knockdown?

[Redhawk05]

Are ringside judges obligated to take a point from a fighter for what the ref rules a knockdown?

I'm re-watching Pacquiao-Algieri, and in regards to the two times when Pacquiao is credited with a knockdown though it appears more likely that Algieri slipped, would a judge have to score that round 10-8 if that was the only "knockdown" in the round? Could they score it 10-9 for Pacquiao instead? In other words, if a judge believes the ref made the wrong call and it should've been a slip, can the judge essentially ignore the ref's ruling when it comes time to score the round?

On a related note, what about a round in which Fighter A mostly dominates the round but Fighter B gets a knockdown? Can the judge score that 10-9 for Fighter A even though he got knocked down? Or can they score it 9-9 if they think Fighter A still won the round despite getting knocked down? Or do they have to score it 10-8 for Fighter B automatically because there was a knockdown?

[Beanflicker]

I'm not sure but a judge should NEVER be allowed to over rule a ref's decision IMO, no more so than a ref should be able to overrule a judge's decision and raise the hand of the other guy. If the ref says it's a knockdown, right or wrong it's a knockdown.

[beenKOed]

I'm not sure but a judge should NEVER be allowed to over rule a ref's decision IMO, no more so than a ref should be able to overrule a judge's decision and raise the hand of the other guy. If the ref says it's a knockdown, right or wrong it's a knockdown.

I agree! Judges making up their own minds about KDs can only lead to chaos; worse judging, more corruption, and more pissed off fans.

[erics44]

yeah this is one solid factor in judging rounds

[Vendettos]

100% the judges should be allowed to overrule refs!

Watch Martin J Wards fight from Saturday there, he ended up with a draw BUT he was dropped by a headbutt for 10-8 and he CLEARLY slipped on the adverts around the edge of the ring for 10-8 also.

So he would have won the fight if the judges had seen the headbutt/slip and overruled the ref.

[erics44]

100% the judges should be allowed to overrule refs!

Watch Martin J Wards fight from Saturday there, he ended up with a draw BUT he was dropped by a headbutt for 10-8 and he CLEARLY slipped on the adverts around the edge of the ring for 10-8 also.

So he would have won the fight if the judges had seen the headbutt/slip and overruled the ref.

yeah but what if the judge overruled a knockdown because of a headbut that he saw and scored it 10-9 the other way but it turned out the headbutt he thought he saw was actually a punch and the fight has swung 3 points in the other fellas favour?