Stiverne/Wilder fight worlds apart from Ali/Frazier, etc.

[brocktonblockbust]

If we compare title fights from the past to it, its really worlds apart in talent, competitiveness, effort, etc.
HERE is what a HW Championship fight should look like:

Ali/Frazier
Holmes/Norton
Tyson/Holyfield 1
Holmes/Cooney
Lewis/Vitali
Bowe/Holyfield
Tyson/Ruddock
Tyson/Douglas
Lewis/Bruno

etc

[brocktonblockbust]

one need look no further than this to see how the talent/drive/spirit has deteriorated drastically.

[Max Power]

Even the dumbest, laziest, sickest, most dehydrated version of Stiverne possible is a far more proven and dangerous boxer than any version of Frazier.

And Wilder far more formidable than any version of Ali.

In terms of the fights though..

Yeah Wilder vs Stiverne was a bit monotonous in places, not saying it was great but Ali vs Frazier were also boring.

One thing Wilder/Stiverne delivered was high tension. You had that feeling like it was gonna all end at any moment.

With Frazier/Ali, it was so weak there was no chance 2 total featherfists could ever KO each other. Where's the HW excitement in that!

And what about all the clinching? It was the next worst clinchfest after Wlad/Povetkin.

[beenKOed]

Even the dumbest, laziest, sickest, most dehydrated version of Stiverne possible is a far more proven and dangerous boxer than any version of Frazier.

And Wilder far more formidable than any version of Ali.

In terms of the fights though..

Yeah Wilder vs Stiverne was a bit monotonous in places, not saying it was great but Ali vs Frazier were also boring.

One thing Wilder/Stiverne delivered was high tension. You had that feeling like it was gonna all end at any moment.

With Frazier/Ali, it was so weak there was no chance 2 total featherfists could ever KO each other. Where's the HW excitement in that!

And what about all the clinching? It was the next worst clinchfest after Wlad/Povetkin.

Not Ali/Frazier 1, there was some excitement, tension, and lots of money changing hands over that fight. The way I remember it. Lol

[Max Power]

Even the dumbest, laziest, sickest, most dehydrated version of Stiverne possible is a far more proven and dangerous boxer than any version of Frazier.

And Wilder far more formidable than any version of Ali.

In terms of the fights though..

Yeah Wilder vs Stiverne was a bit monotonous in places, not saying it was great but Ali vs Frazier were also boring.

One thing Wilder/Stiverne delivered was high tension. You had that feeling like it was gonna all end at any moment.

With Frazier/Ali, it was so weak there was no chance 2 total featherfists could ever KO each other. Where's the HW excitement in that!

And what about all the clinching? It was the next worst clinchfest after Wlad/Povetkin.

Not Ali/Frazier 1, there was some excitement, tension, and lots of money changing hands over that fight. The way I remember it. Lol

Ok, I wasn't around for it. I'm too young.

Perhaps that is not fair since had I been around I probably would have felt it too of course.

The pace of Ali/Frazier 1 was higher from both fighters whereas Widler/Stiverne was kind of 1-sided in terms of "punches thrown" lol.

Still, 25% of the whole fight (FOTC) was a wrestle.

I seen it several times and it isn't real impressive from a non-political view.

Stiverne was a punch bag recently but in FOTC, both Ali AND Frazier were merely punch bags for each other.

[Master]

Even the dumbest, laziest, sickest, most dehydrated version of Stiverne possible is a far more proven and dangerous boxer than any version of Frazier.

And Wilder far more formidable than any version of Ali.

In terms of the fights though..

Yeah Wilder vs Stiverne was a bit monotonous in places, not saying it was great but Ali vs Frazier were also boring.

One thing Wilder/Stiverne delivered was high tension. You had that feeling like it was gonna all end at any moment.

With Frazier/Ali, it was so weak there was no chance 2 total featherfists could ever KO each other. Where's the HW excitement in that!

And what about all the clinching? It was the next worst clinchfest after Wlad/Povetkin.

Compare fat and can not be bothered to get into condition Stiverne to Frazier? You need shooting.

Compare either of these fighters to Ali and Frazier when they achieve that many defences. Which is never.

[Max Power]

Even the dumbest, laziest, sickest, most dehydrated version of Stiverne possible is a far more proven and dangerous boxer than any version of Frazier.

And Wilder far more formidable than any version of Ali.

In terms of the fights though..

Yeah Wilder vs Stiverne was a bit monotonous in places, not saying it was great but Ali vs Frazier were also boring.

One thing Wilder/Stiverne delivered was high tension. You had that feeling like it was gonna all end at any moment.

With Frazier/Ali, it was so weak there was no chance 2 total featherfists could ever KO each other. Where's the HW excitement in that!

And what about all the clinching? It was the next worst clinchfest after Wlad/Povetkin.

Compare fat and can not be bothered to get into condition Stiverne to Frazier? You need shooting.

Compare either of these fighters to Ali and Frazier when they achieve that many defences. Which is never.

Errrr. RIGHT!

I have compared them. One of these guys is an iron chinned 240lb tank and the other is a featherfisted 210lb dwarf.

But the biggest flaw in your argument is that Frazier was captured on film extremely unathletic whereas Stiverne was post-fight diagnosed with Rhabdomyolysis, he was so OVER-TRAINED to the point that he metabolised his own muscles.

They could not be further than opposite ends of the spectrum. Again, you equate "chub" with "out-of-shape". Nothing can be further from the truth!

It's just that a 6-pack is USUALLY a good indicator of condition, but that condition often includes a lot of sprint -type track conditioning, not completely necessary for boxing, depending on attributes and style.

[Master]

210lb dwarf could beat your 240lb fat champ as did the 219lb fighter did.

Wilder has great condition but over training is also showing his inexperience.

[Beanflicker]

one need look no further than this to see how the talent/drive/spirit has deteriorated drastically.

True but you need two for a good fight. Maybe if Stiverne remembered to drink a glass of water every now and then and actually put up a real effort, we could have seen a war!

[killersheep]

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[Beanflicker]

one need look no further than this to see how the talent/drive/spirit has deteriorated drastically.

What happened to Stiverne's deferred dream? Looks like it dried up like a raisin in the sun, after all.

[beenKOed]

Joe Frazier is in the International Boxing Hall of Fame. Joe Frazier was a truly small heavyweight. Joe Frazier was blind in one eye for part of his career. Little half blind Joe Frazier had more heart than he could ever use. Joe Frazier didn't make excuses when he lost, he didn't need to because everyone knew he left everything he had in the ring.
Everyone knows Stiverne didn't fight the best to get that belt. This defense was a 50/50 proposition from the beginning and Wilder may not fare any better,
As long as there is a YouTube, the Frazier/Ali Trilogy will be watched and talked about by boxing fans because there wasn't an ounce of quit in Joe Frazier or Ali.
Max Power, how long do you think the S&W fight is going to be talked about? I'm thinking not very long, especially if Wilder keeps winning against the big guys.
Max Power, if you keep disrespecting the guys from past eras, everyone is going to start disrespecting what you say!
What am I trying to say? Joe Frazier earned and deserves some respect! Ali, too.

[brocktonblockbust]

Joe Frazier is in the International Boxing Hall of Fame. Joe Frazier was a truly small heavyweight. Joe Frazier was blind in one eye for part of his career. Little half blind Joe Frazier had more heart than he could ever use. Joe Frazier didn't make excuses when he lost, he didn't need to because everyone knew he left everything he had in the ring.
Everyone knows Stiverne didn't fight the best to get that belt. This defense was a 50/50 proposition from the beginning and Wilder may not fare any better,
As long as there is a YouTube, the Frazier/Ali Trilogy will be watched and talked about by boxing fans because there wasn't an ounce of quit in Joe Frazier or Ali.
Max Power, how long do you think the S&W fight is going to be talked about? I'm thinking not very long, especially if Wilder keeps winning against the big guys.
Max Power, if you keep disrespecting the guys from past eras, everyone is going to start disrespecting what you say!
What am I trying to say? Joe Frazier earned and deserves some respect! Ali, too.

Good post. FACT. @Fenster

[ykdadamaja]

If we compare title fights from the past to it, its really worlds apart in talent, competitiveness, effort, etc.
HERE is what a HW Championship fight should look like:

Ali/Frazier
Holmes/Norton
Tyson/Holyfield 1
Holmes/Cooney
Lewis/Vitali
Bowe/Holyfield
Tyson/Ruddock
Tyson/Douglas
Lewis/Bruno

etc

Wlad/Povetkin is thee SHITTIEST fight I ever saw. And I have seen a few. Not shittiest title fight, but shittiest match EVER!!! That shit was just fucking awful!!!