Punch Stat numbers: a load of rubbish?

[brocktonblockbust]

@Master tag, you're it.

I think punch stat numbers are underrated.

[Beanflicker]

It's a useless tool of confusion. I think they are inaccurate a lot of the time anyway, and people use them to justify decision, when the purpose in pro boxing isn't to land the most punches in a fight, it's to win the most rounds. And it doesn't take into account the significance of the blows landed. Fighter A can land 10 jabs to the head and body, and Fighter B can land 1 right hook that really rocks Fighter A. Who's going to say A won the round? It's fookin nonsense!

[p4pking]

Agreed with the Bean, they are meaningless. Whether a punch lands by compubox standards as opposed to having impact can be a world apart. A guy can flail away at the arms and land twice as many "power shots(since they are anything but a jab)" as the guy who is seeing and catching everything and raking him with flush counters for it.

[ykdadamaja]

It's a useless tool of confusion. I think they are inaccurate a lot of the time anyway, and people use them to justify decision, when the purpose in pro boxing isn't to land the most punches in a fight, it's to win the most rounds. And it doesn't take into account the significance of the blows landed. Fighter A can land 10 jabs to the head and body, and Fighter B can land 1 right hook that really rocks Fighter A. Who's going to say A won the round? It's fookin nonsense!

Funny thing is judges don't go by punchstats or compubox numbers. Judging a boxing match depends on the beholder. lol....

ps: I think we give way too much credit to knockdowns in a round than guys that win fights. A knockdown punch may be the only punch landed, but what if the guy won the entire 2:50 minutes of the round?

[brocktonblockbust]

there should be objective criteria and I think that is there but not enforced strictly. You have:

1. Number of punches
2. Aggressiveness
3. Connected punches
4. Power punches
5. Effective punches
6. Clean punches
7. Knockdowns
8. Jabs
a. strong jabs that approach a Power Punch strength
b. standard jabs
c. weak/flicking jabs that just pitter-patter

now take all that and maximize the equation;

f(x)=(total punches + .2a) x (power punches + .2b)/(clean punches - .2c) + (effective punches x 2) - (1/2 missed punches) + ring generalship = WINNER OF THE ROUND.

[boyla]

I have never paid them much notice.

[Spicoli]

Yeh pretty much a dull hammer used by networks to try to make a distinction. Window dressing. Almost like counting a pitchers total throws to home plate but with far less accuracy in category. What kills me is when they trump power punches. Ever see a guy knocked shitless by a jab Yep. Just call the action. We don't need a math class. Once HBo started using the 'Resusci annie' punch dummy graphic and counting shots to ribs, chest, chin, arm, eyebrows, etc it just got goofy.

[brocktonblockbust]

clean effective punching should count more then the number of punches unless the number of punches contains more power punches then the clean effective punching. clean effective punching could win someone the round even if his opponent landed more punches.

[SlimTrae]

I thought Compu-box or punch stats is separate from how fights are scored, which is by judges and not by the punch stat folks.

With that being said- some judges idea of how to score a fight can be a load of rubbish. If a judge who prefers aggressiveness over counter-punching, than how does that work for a fighter whose style is counterpunching? Invert the scenario. Same deal.

Punch stats IMO are more likely to tell the truth than CJ Ross (Bradley-Pacquiao), Harold Lederman's daughter, Frank Lombardi (Casamayor-Cruz), Duane Ford (too many fights to name) all the judges for Holyfield-Valuev. Dave Maretti & the other 2 clowns who scored DLH over Sturm: to name a few.

Yes, I have seen a few fights where I questioned the connect ratio. But at this time I cant think of a single fight (and there may be some U guys cant point out) Not one fight where I was pissed at the punch stats the way I have been pissed & ticked at the judging and refereeing on too many occasion. I think punch stat numbers are underrated.

[beenKOed]

Punch stats are another tool that can be used to prove or disprove what happened in a fight or what you think happened in a fight.
I like the power punches landed percentage the most. It's accurate and dependable, but I'd never use punch stats to pick a winner.
I don't even like to judge fights that I'm watching as its takes away from the fight, for me.
Punch stats are a guide line that I'd never use to pick or determine a winner.