This "old vs new" recent onslaught

[TitoFan]

TBH, it's too bad that this new fella has chosen to go about his crusade in such an odd way.

It's the incessant cut/paste that ruins it for me. From the looks of it, this guy made a couple of YouTube videos, and is pushing them like a used-car salesman trying to meet his quota. There's nothing wrong with making YouTube videos, obviously. But don't cut/paste responses to anyone who wants to engage. It's an immediate turn-off, and could easily be interpreted as trolling.

It's a shame, IMO... because some of his arguments probably have merit. Of course, I wouldn't have chosen George Foreman as the poster boy of today's heavyweights in trying to push the boxing skill and movement argument.

Yesterday vs Today is always going to be a fascinating argument in boxing. I do agree we sometimes get too enamoured with past, black-and-white legends, and close our minds to anything we might consider heresy. Today's size is something that cannot be ignored. You can't just throw a past heavyweight who barely cracked 200 pounds (if that much) against a 250-pound behemoth from today, and expect good results.

Styles have changed too, it must be said. Hell... go back to the beginning of boxing and you'll see the funny-looking, arms curled up, boxing style. Fighters of today would've swept the ring with them inside one round.

So there's a way to make a point.

[Master]

His videos do not even make his point.

[NoSavingByTheBell]

He seems to have bumped up a lot of my older threads and I can't figure out what the main point is other than that the modern-day heavy weights would blast the older ones out who could not even according to him land any significant punches due to lack of foot and head moment and size

[Memphis]

When comparing contemporary fighters to those from previous eras, the rose tinted spectacles come out and any good sense goes out the window. I was speaking to someone today who came out with the classic. Todays heavyweights wouldn't have been competitive in Lennox Lewis's era. Clearly on the back of every Tom Dick and Harry boxing "content creator" regurgitating Lewis's back and forth with Hearn re: AJ Ngannou. I get it, it's the safe bet and everyone just seems to love using the 'all day long' phrase.

What people are actually saying is that Lewis would beat them all isn't it. He might well do. But to say Fury, AJ, Wilder and Usyk wouldn't be competitive is beyond fucking stupid. Frank Bruno was competitive. Ray Mercer was competitive. Hasim fucking Rahman and Oliver McCall were so competitive, they chinned him out with a single hit. None of them elite or anywhere approaching. By all means back Lewis to beat todays top four, I'd probably agree. But lets not pretend that they're not a level or two above old Frank et al.

Another nugget. Past fighters get an awful lot of credit for beating ordinary opposition. Opposition who over the passing of time get elevated beyond their station. Ray Mercer is a classic. The administrator of one of the most brutal beatdowns in boxing history and an immoveable object for Lennox Lewis one night over ten rounds. He's infamous no? When people ask the question on Facebook and the like. Who wins, Ray Mercer or Anthony Joshua. Lots of really thick people will put Anthony Joshua's head in the way of seven or eight unanswered blows, just like poor Tommy's was. And they will surmise that under those circumstances Mercer wins. And they'd be right. What they don't acknowledge, is that the chances of that happening are slim to none, and as inspired as he might have been over the shorter distance with Lewis for one night only, virtually everyone of anything like class went the distance with Mercer. This brutal foregone conclusion people have in their simple heads just ain't happening.

Another classic. Hagler V Golovkin. Oh Hagler would knock him out early! Fuck off!!! As a side note. This is my favourite fantasy fight. Technically excellent, but more importantly a bloodbath of biblical proportions.

[Primo Carnera]

I don’t get involved in the newbie’s stupidity, but what I would say, is that when comparing different fighters in different eras , you have to give both fighters access to the same facilities, same infrastructure, same society , same science and take into consideration size changes in the World from each era.
Also differences in weigh in times and days etc. etc.

[Memphis]

Oh for sure. If these questions are posed earnestly then there is no right or wrong answer. You'd like to think that the level of the principals involved is such that it makes for debate rather than ridicule. The sweeping old beats new stuff is what does my head in.

Another old v new classic. Who wins "prime for prime". You can bet your bottom dollar that the new hasn't had a prime yet.