Top Ten Heavyweights of All Time

[Master]

Name your Top Ten Heavyweights of All Time and does Usyk get in now?

1. Ali
2. Joe Louis
3. Larry Holmes
4. Lennox Lewis
5. George Foreman
6. Joe Frazier
7. Jack Johnson
8. Mike Tyson
9. Wlad
10. Usyk

[ykdadamaja]

Name your Top Ten Heavyweights of All Time and does Usyk get in now?

1. Ali
2. Joe Louis
3. Larry Holmes
4. Lennox Lewis
5. George Foreman
6. Joe Frazier
7. Jack Johnson
8. Mike Tyson
9. Wlad
10. Usyk

Good list.

[Mark TKO]

Can't argue with names on that list. I'll have a think myself and post later.

Struggle where to put Louis, Johnson and Dempsey etc as we never saw them fight. Not their fault of course! And not mine either....

[Spicoli]

I think as I got older I get lost in the criteria and subjectivity that goes in all time stuff. Almost like the current p4p. In a weird way if I'm judging on something like number of belts and defenses it can much different than if ranked on best fighters defeated and competition. Off the top I'd set Usyk aside only as he's a still active fighter, maybe it's a copout but more of appreciation . Can see Ali, Louis, Lewis-Holmes (switch either) but then it gets interesting. Most certainly am putting Holyfield over Frazier, Foreman and Tyson with respect to vs-vs hypotheticals imo and well, he did beat two of them. Save all the "not in primes stuff" . But that's just me. Also we tend to go by what we've "lived" live and it's natural. It's like the old debates with Mick and I'm saying Greb was at the very top in different division . Good times. Meanwhile as much as we read and look over records fight per fight, and it has value and wish more fans kept at it, seeing is also believing. Our eyes do not deceive as opposed to something we've just heard about. Fair to say we all wish there was much more footage of the early greats. Ironic really. Today we have 24-7 coverage and almost too much exposure to below average guys, meanwhile the Johnsons, Dempseys, Wills, or Tunney's can be sparse on film. So for what's it worth and sure this will change when I think on it more, Ali-Louis-Lewis-Holmes-Holyfield-Foreman-Johnson-Tyson-Liston-Frazier.

[Master]

These are my reasons for the list and order

1. Ali – beat 3 greats Liston, Frazier and Foreman, Olympic Gold
2. Joe Louis – record 25 defences and could have been more if not WW2, 11 year reign
3. Larry Holmes – 20 defences 7-year reign
4. Lennox Lewis – undisputed, Olympic Gold
5. George Foreman - Olympic Gold, beat Frazier, regained title after 20 years
6. Joe Frazier - Olympic Gold, 6 years reign
7. Jack Johnson- 7-year reign, way ahead of his time
8. Mike Tyson – youngest champ, undisputed, 9 defences, icon.
9. Wlad – 9 year reign, 23 defences, Olympic Gold
10. Usyk – undisputed 2 weights, Olympic Gold

[Master]

Duke McKenzie said Usyk deserves to be in the all-time top 20 [best] heavyweights in the world, but we don't know where he sits in that top 20,"

"Your Fraziers, Foremans, Alis - then you have Lennox Lewis, your Tysons, Riddick Bowe, your Evander Holyfields, there's a lot of guys that would've given Usyk a lot of trouble that aren't the real big names."

Spencer Oliver chimed in: "Someone like Joe Frazier, who was relentless, but was a little bit predictable... Someone like Usyk who had that skill set, and you're talking about size and all that, you have to put Usyk as a massive favourite over Frazier.

"Usyk puts his name in that argument, even with the Muhammad Ali's, because of what he's done.

McKenzie concluded: "That's what I'm saying, he's in the top 20!"

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