Anyone else bored of 'racism' yet?

[Howlin Mad Missy]

not true. It's evolved. Black, no coloured, no black, no african-this/that and the other.

You can't expect everyone you encounter to know your preferred preference.

[Mark TKO]

Blame who? You?
Are you stupid??

Of course it's always been offensive. No one has ever liked being called coloured or half cast and if they did it's because they were stupid.

well I just spoke to a London colleague who is early 50s from Jamaica and lived last 35 years south london. In her book it was acceptable to use till mid 90s and was the norm term - she doesn't even really find it offensive now but knows many of her family now do. See what I mean different interperations.

She's not stupid so I'm obviously stupid then - think we best lock this thread to be honest.

[Gandalf]

The thing with half cast is that once again it is correct. You have a black father and a white mother and then you have a child that is a mixture of those genetic types. To be called half whatever is just a definition of how one appears. They are not James Toney black and they are not Hitler white, they are quite definitely something inbetween and I see nothing negative in being able to describe someone's appearance.

Half cast might have negative connotations because of history, but you would do just as well to have another word, perhaps 'halfcolour' or the more politically correct 'people of half colour'. Well, that just sounds stupid, just call them half casts and educate society to become more tolerant of ethnic diversity which in many ways the UK is. Certainly much more so than somewhere like Korea.

[Gandalf]

I think the term 'mongrel' is far more offensive for a mixed race child than 'half cast', but just simply saying mixed race child is probably more neutral with less historical connotations, but it is still essentially the same thing just tarted up in a different way.

[Fenster]

Blame who? You?
Are you stupid??

Of course it's always been offensive. No one has ever liked being called coloured or half cast and if they did it's because they were stupid.

well I just spoke to a London colleague who is early 50s from Jamaica and lived last 35 years south london. In her book it was acceptable to use till mid 90s and was the norm term - she doesn't even really find it offensive now but knows many of her family now do. See what I mean different interperations.

She's not stupid so I'm obviously stupid then - think we best lock this thread to be honest.

I was just gonna post exactly what she said.

I'm 35 and when growing up everyone said half-cast, including black/mixed raced people. I can remember black people on TV saying it.

Obviously younger people have grown-up knowing it as an offensive term. But it was certainly the norm in the 80s.

[ono]

Using the word 'Black' in a swear word is racist, why not simply call them cunt, ass hole, why have to put the colour of their skin into it. People get discriminated, excluded and even killed because of the colour of their skin so although Tiger Woods or even Ferdinand may not really worry about being called the names, the people that use them do need to be told that they are wrong.

but if he is black how does it make it worse than fat bastard, ginger bastard. It's a descriptive word.

I think it's because fat ginger people didn't have to sit at the back of the bus 70 years ago.

[Jimanuel Boogustus]

The thing with half cast is that once again it is correct. You have a black father and a white mother and then you have a child that is a mixture of those genetic types. To be called half whatever is just a definition of how one appears. They are not James Toney black and they are not Hitler white, they are quite definitely something inbetween and I see nothing negative in being able to describe someone's appearance.

Half cast might have negative connotations because of history, but you would do just as well to have another word, perhaps 'halfcolour' or the more politically correct 'people of half colour'. Well, that just sounds stupid, just call them half casts and educate society to become more tolerant of ethnic diversity which in many ways the UK is. Certainly much more so than somewhere like Korea.

To be honest, you kinda Barking up the wrong tree... You have to know the origins of the term 'Half-Cast' to understand why it is offensive... Mongrel isn't even that offensive. Just stupid. We are all 'mongrel' in one way or another.

Fuck whatever Missy and Mark are talkin about, the younger generation have the right idea. Ignorance should never be accepted.

[Gandalf]

The thing with half cast is that once again it is correct. You have a black father and a white mother and then you have a child that is a mixture of those genetic types. To be called half whatever is just a definition of how one appears. They are not James Toney black and they are not Hitler white, they are quite definitely something inbetween and I see nothing negative in being able to describe someone's appearance.

Half cast might have negative connotations because of history, but you would do just as well to have another word, perhaps 'halfcolour' or the more politically correct 'people of half colour'. Well, that just sounds stupid, just call them half casts and educate society to become more tolerant of ethnic diversity which in many ways the UK is. Certainly much more so than somewhere like Korea.

To be honest, you kinda Barking up the wrong tree... You have to know the origins of the term 'Half-Cast' to understand why it is offensive... Mongrel isn't even that offensive. Just stupid. We are all 'mongrel' in one way or another.

Fuck whatever Missy and Mark are talkin about, the younger generation have the right idea. Ignorance should never be accepted.

So show me the history of the term 'half cast'. It is a term with exactly the same meaning as 'mixed race'. Maybe 100 years later 'mixed race' will be called out as being wrong. Mongrel is crude and revolting as it suggests dog like characteristics. It suggests less than human which 'half cast' never does. In that way half cast is more endearing and in all honesty is not particularly offensive anyway.

[Jimanuel Boogustus]

The thing with half cast is that once again it is correct. You have a black father and a white mother and then you have a child that is a mixture of those genetic types. To be called half whatever is just a definition of how one appears. They are not James Toney black and they are not Hitler white, they are quite definitely something inbetween and I see nothing negative in being able to describe someone's appearance.

Half cast might have negative connotations because of history, but you would do just as well to have another word, perhaps 'halfcolour' or the more politically correct 'people of half colour'. Well, that just sounds stupid, just call them half casts and educate society to become more tolerant of ethnic diversity which in many ways the UK is. Certainly much more so than somewhere like Korea.

To be honest, you kinda Barking up the wrong tree... You have to know the origins of the term 'Half-Cast' to understand why it is offensive... Mongrel isn't even that offensive. Just stupid. We are all 'mongrel' in one way or another.

Fuck whatever Missy and Mark are talkin about, the younger generation have the right idea. Ignorance should never be accepted.

So show me the history of the term 'half cast'. It is a term with exactly the same meaning as 'mixed race'. Maybe 100 years later 'mixed race' will be called out as being wrong. Mongrel is crude and revolting as it suggests dog like characteristics. It suggests less than human which 'half cast' never does. In that way half cast is more endearing and in all honesty is not particularly offensive anyway.

Lol, how would you know, your not mixed race

It's true though,maybe in a hundred years some dude will object to being called mixed race... I'm pretty sure most of those poor yank already do... Including Barrack Obama. But that is a preference of identity. You need to understand that the term half cast is insulting in its meaning and its social/ historical relevance, not in a simple discriptive sense. And like i said, mongrel can apply to everyone. Half cast is far more excluding.

[Andre]

yep bored to death of it

you can call people white, ginger, little, greasy, fat, skinny etc...etc.... but not black

in my office when people are describing someone who you may need to contact or find in in open plan office, some are afraid to say 'black guy' or 'black woman'. Pathetic

some poor woman got berated for using the term 'half cast' . Apparently thats not PC any more. Oh yes and I got bollocked for callinga type of music urban by a black female colleague who was into that scene. Like wtf ?!?!?

is tiger woods offended ? or just every other fucker ?

There are racist insults... which are no different to any other insults... And then there is genuine ignorance, which can actually more hurtfull. Especially when it is unwavering.

The term 'half cast' IS actually offensive Mark. Just the same as 'coloured'.

I honestly didnt know the term coloured was offensive until a few years back when Jazmerkin picked me up on it in a conversation. Where is he anyway?

He is needed here right in this post. Militant Souf London Guy

wtf can we say Help..

[Mark TKO]

thats the point Andre - people DON'T know and they get shit for it

[Andre]

thats the point Andre - people DON'T know and they get shit for it

Yes I know thats the point! Your Father was a hamster and your mother smelt of elderberries now go away before I taunt you a second timema..

[Jimanuel Boogustus]

thats the point Andre - people DON'T know and they get shit for it

I don't see what the problem is calling Manny Pacquiao a philip but I know that i shouldn't and so i won't but too many people just refuse to oblige and it causes a clash.

I no Spanish, I Espanol! >
(just to plant a seed)

In all fairness though Mark, I think i would of either laughed or lost my rag a bit with this bird bangin on about Urban Music. Okay, Black Music is a touch strong because its not exclusively Black Music and of course 'Urban' could be seen as a soft substitute for 'black' but I don't personally see it that way. Music gets categorised and re defined all the time, no matter how radical music may get, it will always be subject to a conservative need to have to lable everything.

It would suck though if what you made was Funk but someone tried to tell you it was Disco, ay?

[Mark TKO]

I was somewhat taken aback with that incident I can tell you. I held my tongue as it could have caused further problems (its government here and escalation of biblical proportion is the norm....). I don't let things worry me as a rule but I was fucking annoyed after that . And now am thinking about it am fucking annoyed again !!!


She obviously took it as an insult - but when I've downloaded the odd tune of that type its come up automaticaly as 'Urban' in the genre on media player ?!?!? So like WTF.

You can't win......

[0james0]

I actually find it a bit odd when on the radio they might describe a station as black music. I thinks it's too exclusive and quite demeaning. What exactly is black music?

That's national radio saying that.

I also find the MOBO awards weird, it's a really celebrated award, but only for music of black origin. I can't help but think that music of white origin award would be considered racist.

I also think that black people are now the least racially abused. Muslims and so on get it worse from all angles. Far more stereotyping.