Enzo Maccarinelli handed six month drugs ban

[Trecco bay]

Uk anti doping said their investigation into olubamiwo had emerged from intelligence provided by the us drug enforcement administration relating into the trafficking of anabolic steriods, human growth hormone and insulin growth factor .
Uk anti doping chief executive andy Parkinson's said " this is an extreme example of someone who has engaged in an intentional and uncompromising doping program over a sustained period with little regard for his own health , the reputation of the sport he competed in or his fellow competitors .

A bit different by being caught with a bit of epo , I suggest althugz gets a bit more clued up before he starts sticking up for poor larry who everyone's picking on.

[Althugz]

Uk anti doping said their investigation into olubamiwo had emerged from intelligence provided by the us drug enforcement administration relating into the trafficking of anabolic steriods, human growth hormone and insulin growth factor .
Uk anti doping chief executive andy Parkinson's said " this is an extreme example of someone who has engaged in an intentional and uncompromising doping program over a sustained period with little regard for his own health , the reputation of the sport he competed in or his fellow competitors .

A bit different by being caught with a bit of epo , I suggest althugz gets a bit more clued up before he starts sticking up for poor larry who everyone's picking on.

Haha, you told me to get a clue AFTER you asked me why Larry admitted to taking 13 different PED's?
I see we have another "Google expert" on our hands..
and Larry did only get caught using EPO..they sprung a test on him due to this intelligence. There was never any proof that he had taken anything that he had ordered beyond the EPO which he tested positive for. I guess UKAD put him in a position where it was more beneficial for him to confess.

It's like saying he murdered someone a lot where as Enzo murdered somebody a little bit..it's DUMB.

[Trecco bay]

It's a bit like Enzo having enough cannabis to roll a joint , and larry importing large quantities of cannabis and then when caught says it's for personnel use rather than being charged with supplying

[Althugz]

It's a bit like Enzo having enough cannabis to roll a joint , and larry importing large quantities of cannabis and then when caught says it's for personnel use rather than being charged with supplying

How does your shitty analagy relate to BOTH of them each being on a SINGLE performance enhancer whilst fighting?

Honestly, it's ok..I give up..you win. Indulging you is hurting my head..

[Trecco bay]

Just trying to get through to you why Enzo gets a 6 nth ban and poor persecuted larry gets 4 years , the bbbc didn't just sit down and said we don't like larry let's give him 4 years , there was a lot more to it than that .

[rjj tszyu]

From what I've heard the packaging didn't even stipulate that it contained this PED. If it's over the counter and doesn't say on the container that it contains a PED surely the company that supplies it should be sued and the fighter should be excused after he has sat out whilst his body clears itself of the drug?

The ingredients will always stipulate what is contained in the supplement, buddy.

Apparently this one didn't!

Maccarinelli comments on positive doping test

[AdamGB]

From what I've heard the packaging didn't even stipulate that it contained this PED. If it's over the counter and doesn't say on the container that it contains a PED surely the company that supplies it should be sued and the fighter should be excused after he has sat out whilst his body clears itself of the drug?

The ingredients will always stipulate what is contained in the supplement, buddy.

Nope.

If you knew half as much as you are trying to let on you would know just how much shit the term 'propiatery blend' can cover... You'd also know that it us not unheard of for suppliment companies to change or lie about what is in a product.

Why do you think Jack3D is constantly being pulled? It's just been banned AGAIN for featuring an ingredient which was claimed to be derived from a geranium, but was actually a synthetic featured on several ban lists.

Can I just ask... Did you seriously just compare something found in most preworkout formulas to fucking EPO?!?

I mean, I know you're mates or a big fan of larry's or some shit... but, really?!

Was claiming that anabolic steroids wouldn't aid in his power development because they 'don't make you grow more fast twitch muscle cells' (hint: nothing makes you 'grow more' cells. It's a physiological impossibility!...) not enough?

[Althugz]

From what I've heard the packaging didn't even stipulate that it contained this PED. If it's over the counter and doesn't say on the container that it contains a PED surely the company that supplies it should be sued and the fighter should be excused after he has sat out whilst his body clears itself of the drug?

The ingredients will always stipulate what is contained in the supplement, buddy.

Nope.

If you knew half as much as you are trying to let on you would know just how much shit the term 'propiatery blend' can cover... You'd also know that it us not unheard of for suppliment companies to change or lie about what is in a product.

Why do you think Jack3D is constantly being pulled? It's just been banned AGAIN for featuring an ingredient which was claimed to be derived from a geranium, but was actually a synthetic featured on several ban lists.

Can I just ask... Did you seriously just compare something found in most preworkout formulas to fucking EPO?!?

I mean, I know you're mates or a big fan of larry's or some shit... but, really?!

Was claiming that anabolic steroids wouldn't aid in his power development because they 'don't make you grow more fast twitch muscle cells' (hint: nothing makes you 'grow more' cells. It's a physiological impossibility!...) not enough?

You are seriously dumb beyond words..honestly, you lower my IQ everytime I respond to your complete and utter nonsense..The scary part is how much confidence you have in your stupidity.

Listen...read slowly..

Who decides whether methylhexaneamine is worse than EPO?? You?? Of course not, you dumb shit. So how can you then turn around and say "OMG OMG you're comparing an over the counter supplement to something that's banned".

Do you even know the law when it comes to what can be promoted as an over the counter supplement and something that's banned? No, you don't. It's as simple as bringing something out that has NO MEDICAL USAGE. If something has no medical usage it can be sold over the counter until complaints are made and the long process to ban it has been completed/proven.

For example, when prohormones were banned, they used this loophole to bring out a supplement called M1T which was a STEROID. They called it a "pro-steroid" and it was sold over the counter. It had zero medical use because they created it in a lab. Oh but because it was an over the counter supplement, in your infinite wisdom, it wouldn't have been as bad as things on the banned list..even though it was probably far more effective than most things on there.

NOW do you see the grey area that I'm talking about??

They eventually got it banned. Tons of stuff on the banned list were over the counter supplements at one point you absolute goof! Ephedrine, pro-hormones (which are steroids) and probably soon to be, methylhexaneamine which is found in Jack3d and HemoRage. I assume Enzo used one of those two.

It actually pains me that you can be this dumb and be so cock-sure about it.

If this post, born out of your stupidity has at least educated some of the forum posters about the huge grey area and contradiction that is the supplement industry, then you will have at least served some purpose.

[Althugz]

From what I've heard the packaging didn't even stipulate that it contained this PED. If it's over the counter and doesn't say on the container that it contains a PED surely the company that supplies it should be sued and the fighter should be excused after he has sat out whilst his body clears itself of the drug?

The ingredients will always stipulate what is contained in the supplement, buddy.

Nope.

If you knew half as much as you are trying to let on you would know just how much shit the term 'propiatery blend' can cover... You'd also know that it us not unheard of for suppliment companies to change or lie about what is in a product.

Propietary blends still list ingredients you div - Just not the exact quantities they are listing in. I really hope that nobody is taking notice of your shit. This is, unfortunately, how misinformation spreads.

[Althugz]

From what I've heard the packaging didn't even stipulate that it contained this PED. If it's over the counter and doesn't say on the container that it contains a PED surely the company that supplies it should be sued and the fighter should be excused after he has sat out whilst his body clears itself of the drug?

The ingredients will always stipulate what is contained in the supplement, buddy.

Apparently this one didn't!

Maccarinelli comments on positive doping test

DO NOT listen to Adam on this matter Rjj...I assure you he knows SHIT about the topic.

"The advert stated that it was an approved substance and I checked the ingredients which had no reference to any banned substance that I was aware of."

Those are the key words. Isn't that the excuse every athlete uses? Look, I know on the back of both products that contain this stuff, the ingredient is listed on the back. If athletes are so unsure, then they need someone in camp who knows this stuff. Being naive shouldn't be an excuse for taking something that's banned if that's the rules the UKAD are implementing.

He used and should be given the same punishment..IMO of course.

[Trecco bay]

The product Enzo used is called dexaprine , and it states that it can be used by athletes and doesn't mention any banned substances , Enzo even gave it to the bbbofc to analyse it, it was just an honest mistake

[Althugz]

The product Enzo used is called dexaprine , and it states that it can be used by athletes and doesn't mention any banned substances , Enzo even gave it to the bbbofc to analyse it, it was just an honest mistake

Plain as day, my friend - 1,3-Dimethylphenylamine

Ingredients:

Dexaprine Tri-Phase Ignition System:
650 mg ** Thermogenic Amine Mood Enhancement Complex:
Citrus Aurantium (30% Active Amines), 1,3-Dimethylphenylamine
** Extended Release Energy Complex:
Caffeine Anhydrous, Theophylline
** Anabolic Protein Synthesis Enhancing Complex:
3,3 Diiodo L Thyronine (200 mcg), 3,5 Diiodo L Thyronine (100 mcg)

[Beanz]

SPOT THE DIFFERENCEBOXER 1

"I had to make money and the mind-frame I was in at the time dictated my actions....
In the past I saw idols of mine being found guilty of using performance enhancing drugs, the likes of Shane Mosley, Evander Holyfield and James Toney (twice) and upon seeing the punishments they were handed, I thought that I could do the same and be unlikely to get caught or receive the same punishment "

“Yes I had been doping for six years but for most of you guys to think my opponents were not because of their physiques is quite ridiculous. Although I will not mention any names the majority of the boxers you all love so dear are on the stuff, fact and this is from me talking to them, seeing them buy the stuff or talking to their training personnel. Cheating is when you are the only person doing something and since I know that I wasn’t the only person doing it, it can’t be defined as cheating.
“A large minority if not majority of boxers are doping and the naivety of the public to think that mine is an isolated case is staggering. Also I am surprised I get so much stick but the guys I look up to in the sport like Roy Jones, Shane Mosley and James Toney who have all been caught don’t get as much stick.”

BOXER 2

"I have been tested over 20 times in my career and have never failed any random or post-fight doping test, but on this occasion, due to my naivety, I have tested positive for a banned substance.I am very conscious of my reputation within the sport of boxing and even prior to the decision, that has been released, I promised to fully accept any punishment that was given as a result of this positive test,...Furthermore, I voluntarily vacated ......... to allow my opponent, ......., the opportunity to re-challenge for it whilst I serve my suspension, as I could not bear the thought of holding such a prestigious championship if anyone thought that I hadn't won it fairly."

[Memphis]

Whilst their attitudes pre and post are clearly polar opposites they both got caught taking something they shouldnt.

Whether they knew about it or not is a mute point as far as Im concerned.

Naivety isnt an excuse.

[Beanz]

Whilst their attitudes pre and post are clearly polar opposites they both got caught taking something they shouldnt.

Whether they knew about it or not is a mute point as far as Im concerned.

Naivety isnt an excuse.

You are quite correct it is no excuse. The fact remains though each case is clearly different and should be judged accordingly.