Fıghters who would have outclassed/beaten the K Bros.

[Fenster]

Lennox already stopped Vitali in 6... Wlad would have been KO'd in 2.

Bowe would have KO'd Wlad in 3... Vitali would have quit in 9.

1986 Tyson would have KO'd Wlad in 1... Vitali would have quit in 5.

Larry Holmes and Cassius Clay would have both been KO'd by either Klit.

Fact.

[El Kabong]

Riddick Bowe is not a great champion, he didn't face the best competition, he never fought a puncher, Lennox flattened him in the amateurs and would have done so again in the pros and Wlad would have stopped Bowe in 8 and Vitali (prime for prime) would have stopped Bowe in 4. The guy wasn't hard to hit and for such a big guy didn't have an amazing amount of power. Post Prison Mike Tyson would have beaten Bowe, Michael Moorer may have beaten Bowe, George Foreman would have beaten Bowe. Riddick Bowe is one of the most overrated fighters of all time.

Larry Holmes got knocked down by lesser fighters than either of the brothers and although I keep reading the word PRIME bandied about here and there people still bring up the Klitschko brothers' losses....of which maybe 1 occurred during a Prime and that was Vitali's loss to Lewis due to a cut with Vitali up on all cards.

[THE PHILOSOPHER]

Lennox already stopped Vitali in 6... Wlad would have been KO'd in 2.

Bowe would have KO'd Wlad in 3... Vitali would have quit in 9.

1986 Tyson would have KO'd Wlad in 1... Vitali would have quit in 5.

Larry Holmes and Cassius Clay would have both been KO'd by either Klit.

Fact.

Lennox lewis would have lost to ALexander Miroshenko (who was the inspiration for Ivan Drago in the rocky movie) He stopped Lennox Lewis and was robbed vs Riddick Bowe in the amateurs, he put bowe down twice!! Had alex had the correct guidance and management and had truly dedicated himself to the pro's he would have been a great pro fighter aswell as a great amateur! As for lewis vs either klitschko, vitali proved he was lennox's equal that night on 11 days notice, that fight left more questions unanswered than answered, cuts or no cuts...it should by rights have gone to the cards too!! As for Wlad vs lewis.....that would not depend on which lewis showed up as some like to say, it would depend on which corner manny steward chose to sit in....true story! Seriously if we are to judge vitali on his dodgy loss to lennox on short notice then lets judge prime/prepared lewis on his 2nd round KO loss to featherfist oliver mcall LOL! Vitali owned gomez and norris who both outboxed mcall....

Riddick bowe got his arse handed to him twice vs a poor mans klitschko, i think its clear bowe doesn't fare well against that particular type of fighter! They are not a 205lb holyfield and beside's he was outboxed by tony fatass tubbs and turned into a blob himself post golota....alex and golota spanked bowe! Alex and bowe went 1-1 with each other as amatuers, he was robbed of 2-0!

In fact thinking about it imagine the success the greats of recent years would have had if Felix savon (a 3x olympic gold winner and 6x world amateur champ) or Teofilio stevenson (a 3x olympic gold winner and 3x amateur champ) had fought pro!!!

Tyson maybe beats a younger wlad (the one with stamina, discipline and defene issues) but not the linear champ of the past few years, tyson often struggled with tall rangy fighters, and the klitschkos are elite they are not 220lb mitch green or tony tucker...and iron chinned vitali who is the least intimidated fighter in history would frustrate the 5'11" tyson to the point where iron mike does something insane culminating in vitali throwing him out of the ring or vitali just beats him up! In fact tyson was lucky the great Igor Vysotsky (who beat the great teofilio stevenson twice) and a host of other names like tony tubbs, mitch green etc was not fighting in the pros.....

As for clay/ali...80% of his record are fighters under 200lbs, he never came close to fighting elite level superheavyweights like the klitschkos...foreman was the same size as adamek ffs!



Many amerians would not have had it so easy had the iron curtain been never been there, joe louis had a nemesis in the great nickolai (the champ who couldn't fight joe louis) korolev:

4 time Absolute Soviet Champion (1936,1937,1944, 1945)
9 time Champion of the USSR (1936-1939,1945-1949)
Champion of the Socialist Olympics in Antwerp (1937)

Holmes would give either man a tough night, however he struggled time and time again with B level fighters and was put down numerous times by sub 200lb fighters!

[brocktonblockbust]

ı was cool clıckıng up tıl I read you thınk Alı and Holmes would lose to the sıssy quıtter brothers

[El Kabong]

ı was cool clıckıng up tıl I read you thınk Alı and Holmes would lose to the sıssy quıtter brothers

Oh what do you base that remark you thick headed dope? The fact Vitali quit 1 fight waaaaay long ago in a galaxy far far away? You fuck up your shoulder and see how well you cope with it just in everyday life much less in a fucking boxing match. Your penchant for posting stupid shit never ceases to amaze me.

[THE PHILOSOPHER]

ı was cool clıckıng up tıl I read you thınk Alı and Holmes would lose to the sıssy quıtter brothers

A grown man using the word 'SISSY' LMFAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

THANK FUCK FOR KLITSCHKO FANS.

[rjj tszyu]

Riddick Bowe wouldn't put up a hard fight vs either brother. He never fought a power puncher his entire career.

Mike Tyson even in 1986 is debateable especially when discussing a Vitali vs Tyson matchup...maybe Mike could get to Wlad early on and follow up, but still it's a big ask.

Young Cassius Clay got damn near KO'd by Henry Cooper. He moved like lightning vs guys like Liston & Cleveland Williams, but the Klitschkos are a touch more athletic than those guys, but erroneous, I will concede the point vs Ali & vs Holmes (though I fully think Vitali & Wlad beat Holmes).

I think the most difficult fighter for either brother to beat is Evander Holyfield just because he's tough for everybody to beat. Evander was awkward to fight especially for an orthodox fighter with such conventional attribute, but he had workrate, solid defense, a head hard as iron, and the heart of a champion.

A younger Shannon Briggs would have been dangerous on HIS day, but then you're just judging potential. I think Shannon Briggs would hammer the shit out of Riddick Bowe.....Bowe is one of the more overrated fighters of all time, given his era Bowe fought NOBODY! No Tyson, no Lewis, no Mercer, no Ruddock, no Rahman, no Tua, NOBODY.

Corrie Sanders on his day is tough for anyone to beat, a big awkward southpaw with loads of power.

George Foreman of course deserves a mention at least because he was strong as an ox and had tremendous power.

Bowe beat the shit out of Holyfield when Holyfield was at his best yet hes overrated and Holyfield would give the Klitschkos the most problems.....

The Klitschkos have plenty of losses netween them and not from when they were old faded names but because they werent great fighters. Lewis I believe would have lost had the fight continued but had that not been a 38 year old Lewis he wouldnt have gassed so early.

I think we all agree that Lewis had the beating of both of them at 38 years old. Their achievements may be more but in reality had they faced off with every decent heavy champ from Ali onwards they would have lost. I couldnt see them beating Ali, Foreman, Holmes, Tyson, Bowe, Holyfield or Lewis. They couldnt beat those lesser fighters mentioned above for fucksake!

Evander was far from his best against Bowe first time round to be fair. He had just walked in a room to find his brother shot dead the week before the fight. He was much closer to his best second time around and I think he was on his way to stopping Bowe until the fan man debacle.

I think Evander would have caused the brothers a hell of a lot of trouble and I fancy him to beat Vitali on points and stop Wladimir.

[ross]

Adamek is 2 inches shorter than Foreman dopey. Thats not the same size...

Adamek wouldnt have got out of the first round with Foreman.

Also, if a fighter quits hes always going to be known as a quitter. Same as a fighter who get thrown out of the olympics for taking steroids is always going to be known as a cheater.

[rjj tszyu]

Lennox already stopped Vitali in 6... Wlad would have been KO'd in 2.

Bowe would have KO'd Wlad in 3... Vitali would have quit in 9.

1986 Tyson would have KO'd Wlad in 1... Vitali would have quit in 5.

Larry Holmes and Cassius Clay would have both been KO'd by either Klit.

Fact.

Lennox lewis would have lost to ALexander Miroshenko (who was the inspiration for Ivan Drago in the rocky movie) He stopped Lennox Lewis and was robbed vs Riddick Bowe in the amateurs, he put bowe down twice!! Had alex had the correct guidance and management and had truly dedicated himself to the pro's he would have been a great pro fighter aswell as a great amateur! As for lewis vs either klitschko, vitali proved he was lennox's equal that night on 11 days notice, that fight left more questions unanswered than answered, cuts or no cuts...it should by rights have gone to the cards too!! As for Wlad vs lewis.....that would not depend on which lewis showed up as some like to say, it would depend on which corner manny steward chose to sit in....true story! Seriously if we are to judge vitali on his dodgy loss to lennox on short notice then lets judge prime/prepared lewis on his 2nd round KO loss to featherfist oliver mcall LOL! Vitali owned gomez and norris who both outboxed mcall....

Riddick bowe got his arse handed to him twice vs a poor mans klitschko, i think its clear bowe doesn't fare well against that particular type of fighter! They are not a 205lb holyfield and beside's he was outboxed by tony fatass tubbs and turned into a blob himself post golota....alex and golota spanked bowe! Alex and bowe went 1-1 with each other as amatuers, he was robbed of 2-0!

In fact thinking about it imagine the success the greats of recent years would have had if Felix savon (a 3x olympic gold winner and 6x world amateur champ) or Teofilio stevenson (a 3x olympic gold winner and 3x amateur champ) had fought pro!!!

Tyson maybe beats a younger wlad (the one with stamina, discipline and defene issues) but not the linear champ of the past few years, tyson often struggled with tall rangy fighters, and the klitschkos are elite they are not 220lb mitch green or tony tucker...and iron chinned vitali who is the least intimidated fighter in history would frustrate the 5'11" tyson to the point where iron mike does something insane culminating in vitali throwing him out of the ring or vitali just beats him up! In fact tyson was lucky the great Igor Vysotsky (who beat the great teofilio stevenson twice) and a host of other names like tony tubbs, mitch green etc was not fighting in the pros.....

As for clay/ali...80% of his record are fighters under 200lbs, he never came close to fighting elite level superheavyweights like the klitschkos...foreman was the same size as adamek ffs!



Many amerians would not have had it so easy had the iron curtain been never been there, joe louis had a nemesis in the great nickolai (the champ who couldn't fight joe louis) korolev:

4 time Absolute Soviet Champion (1936,1937,1944, 1945)
9 time Champion of the USSR (1936-1939,1945-1949)
Champion of the Socialist Olympics in Antwerp (1937)

Holmes would give either man a tough night, however he struggled time and time again with B level fighters and was put down numerous times by sub 200lb fighters!

WTF? Adamek is the same size as Foreman? NO NO NO NO. Foreman was a beast and a huge man at 220-225lbs. He was never a blown up LHW, never ever. I'm 6'0 and weigh 210lbs, I keep myself in shape and that is my natural walking around size. If I was to become a pro boxer tomorrow, it would be more than likely at 175lbs. If I then took over that division and decided to move upto HW I could weight train more than I do now and add bulk upto 220lbs and not look fat. Would that make me naturally the same size as Foreman? Would it fuck!

[Fenster]

Lennox already stopped Vitali in 6... Wlad would have been KO'd in 2.

Bowe would have KO'd Wlad in 3... Vitali would have quit in 9.

1986 Tyson would have KO'd Wlad in 1... Vitali would have quit in 5.

Larry Holmes and Cassius Clay would have both been KO'd by either Klit.

Fact.

Lennox lewis would have lost to ALexander Miroshenko (who was the inspiration for Ivan Drago in the rocky movie) He stopped Lennox Lewis and was robbed vs Riddick Bowe in the amateurs, he put bowe down twice!! Had alex had the correct guidance and management and had truly dedicated himself to the pro's he would have been a great pro fighter aswell as a great amateur! As for lewis vs either klitschko, vitali proved he was lennox's equal that night on 11 days notice, that fight left more questions unanswered than answered, cuts or no cuts...it should by rights have gone to the cards too!! As for Wlad vs lewis.....that would not depend on which lewis showed up as some like to say, it would depend on which corner manny steward chose to sit in....true story! Seriously if we are to judge vitali on his dodgy loss to lennox on short notice then lets judge prime/prepared lewis on his 2nd round KO loss to featherfist oliver mcall LOL! Vitali owned gomez and norris who both outboxed mcall....

Riddick bowe got his arse handed to him twice vs a poor mans klitschko, i think its clear bowe doesn't fare well against that particular type of fighter! They are not a 205lb holyfield and beside's he was outboxed by tony fatass tubbs and turned into a blob himself post golota....alex and golota spanked bowe! Alex and bowe went 1-1 with each other as amatuers, he was robbed of 2-0!

In fact thinking about it imagine the success the greats of recent years would have had if Felix savon (a 3x olympic gold winner and 6x world amateur champ) or Teofilio stevenson (a 3x olympic gold winner and 3x amateur champ) had fought pro!!!

Tyson maybe beats a younger wlad (the one with stamina, discipline and defene issues) but not the linear champ of the past few years, tyson often struggled with tall rangy fighters, and the klitschkos are elite they are not 220lb mitch green or tony tucker...and iron chinned vitali who is the least intimidated fighter in history would frustrate the 5'11" tyson to the point where iron mike does something insane culminating in vitali throwing him out of the ring or vitali just beats him up! In fact tyson was lucky the great Igor Vysotsky (who beat the great teofilio stevenson twice) and a host of other names like tony tubbs, mitch green etc was not fighting in the pros.....

As for clay/ali...80% of his record are fighters under 200lbs, he never came close to fighting elite level superheavyweights like the klitschkos...foreman was the same size as adamek ffs!

Many amerians would not have had it so easy had the iron curtain been never been there, joe louis had a nemesis in the great nickolai (the champ who couldn't fight joe louis) korolev:

4 time Absolute Soviet Champion (1936,1937,1944, 1945)
9 time Champion of the USSR (1936-1939,1945-1949)
Champion of the Socialist Olympics in Antwerp (1937)

Holmes would give either man a tough night, however he struggled time and time again with B level fighters and was put down numerous times by sub 200lb fighters!

Lewis had only 11 days to prepare for Vitali too. Manny Steward would definitely be in Lewis corner if he had to choose, here's a quote - "Lennox is the best heavyweight I have worked with."

Jorge Gonzalez beat Bowe (and Lewis) in the amatuers. Bowe ruthlessly battered him before knocking him unconcious in the pro's.

Pele Reid knocked Vitali unconcious before the pro's. Fact. (here we go )

[El Kabong]

...in a kickboxing fight with a kick.....according to Pele Reid

[Memphis]

ı was cool clıckıng up tıl I read you thınk Alı and Holmes would lose to the sıssy quıtter brothers

Oh what do you base that remark you thick headed dope? The fact Vitali quit 1 fight waaaaay long ago in a galaxy far far away? You fuck up your shoulder and see how well you cope with it just in everyday life much less in a fucking boxing match. Your penchant for posting stupid shit never ceases to amaze me.

Too early in the thread to mention Danny Williams sparking Potter with one arm?

[erics44]

even threads about the klits are boring

they are so boring

If anyone can think of anything interesting to say about eiother klit you can sig me

p.s i dunno if "sig me" is an actual term but its about the most interesting thing anyone has said on this thread

[El Kabong]

Too early in the thread to mention Danny Williams sparking Potter with one arm?

Dislocation of a shoulder or elbow hurts but does not usually inolve the TEARING OF MUSCLES.....but I digress. Certainly guys have fought through tough times, but that's all relative, some guys get a hang nail and their are looking to get out of the fight, some guys could have an arm amputated between rounds and want to keep on fighting. Vitali said he couldn't continue and who the hell are you to complain about his decision, he's the one that makes a living boxing, not you.


erics44 why waste your time commenting then?

[Memphis]

Too early in the thread to mention Danny Williams sparking Potter with one arm?

Dislocation of a shoulder or elbow hurts but does not usually inolve the TEARING OF MUSCLES.....but I digress. Certainly guys have fought through tough times, but that's all relative, some guys get a hang nail and their are looking to get out of the fight, some guys could have an arm amputated between rounds and want to keep on fighting. Vitali said he couldn't continue and who the hell are you to complain about his decision, he's the one that makes a living boxing, not you.


erics44 why waste your time commenting then?

Why have you put tearing of muscle in caps? What relevance has it got? Williams was incapacitated by his shoulder and carried on. Vitali didnt.

Who am I? Im every bit a boxing fan as you are and if your cool with calling David Haye a coward for not fighting Wlad then Im cool with calling Vitali a bottler.

If David Haye said he did his best and just couldnt hit Wlad would that be good enough for you and end of story? Of course it wouldnt.