Do people actually think Marciano would beat Ali?

[Dark Lord Al]

Philosopher, we did not even see a peak Ali, he was exiled which meant his skills and speed deteriorated which allowed some great fights. Had Ali been allowed to carry on there would be no Frazier or Foreman epics.

Ali would not have allowed the Klits to even lean on him, he would circle the pair and out maneuvered them. Ali had the skill, speed, endurance and discipline to do it.

Circle them if he did that he wouldnt reach them , he would be outjabbed.Clay was great in his era , the end !

[Master]

Philosopher, we did not even see a peak Ali, he was exiled which meant his skills and speed deteriorated which allowed some great fights. Had Ali been allowed to carry on there would be no Frazier or Foreman epics.

Ali would not have allowed the Klits to even lean on him, he would circle the pair and out maneuvered them. Ali had the skill, speed, endurance and discipline to do it.

Circle them if he did that he wouldnt reach them , he would be outjabbed.Clay was great in his era , the end !

Ali was faster and would out jab him and frustrate Wlad causing him to make mistakes which Ali would make Wlad pay.

[Dark Lord Al]

Philosopher, we did not even see a peak Ali, he was exiled which meant his skills and speed deteriorated which allowed some great fights. Had Ali been allowed to carry on there would be no Frazier or Foreman epics.

Ali would not have allowed the Klits to even lean on him, he would circle the pair and out maneuvered them. Ali had the skill, speed, endurance and discipline to do it.

Circle them if he did that he wouldnt reach them , he would be outjabbed.Clay was great in his era , the end !

Ali was faster and would out jab him and frustrate Wlad causing him to make mistakes which Ali would make Wlad pay.

Clay is a pup in the modern era , to small ,for all his talents i just dont buy it , he has very little power in this era , he is just to small.

[Master]

Philosopher, we did not even see a peak Ali, he was exiled which meant his skills and speed deteriorated which allowed some great fights. Had Ali been allowed to carry on there would be no Frazier or Foreman epics.

Ali would not have allowed the Klits to even lean on him, he would circle the pair and out maneuvered them. Ali had the skill, speed, endurance and discipline to do it.

Circle them if he did that he wouldnt reach them , he would be outjabbed.Clay was great in his era , the end !

Ali was faster and would out jab him and frustrate Wlad causing him to make mistakes which Ali would make Wlad pay.

Clay is a pup in the modern era , to small ,for all his talents i just dont buy it , he has very little power in this era , he is just to small.

Agreed with the power but still got the talent to win on points.

[IamInuit]

The closest person to Ali that Marciano fought that resembled him in any way was a worn out Ezzard Charles. I think a prime Charles beats the pants off Marciano. Lets face it the man had a 67 inch reach which is an inch longer then Hatton. He was getting destroyed by Walcott who was probably in his late 40’s before he landed the Suzi Q when Joe stepped in to throw his own hook. Ali would never make that kind of mistake after dominating the fight being flat footed in the pocket. Not a chance. Did Maciano ever see Ali’s kind of lateral movement over his career? No and he would think he was fighting a crowd when Ali started to move. I only see two men with a time machine able to beat Ali and neither has his initials. White towel is thrown in on this one.

[ninjaspy3]

Contrary to popular belief many of the post war era HW'S would have had a very good shot at beating ali. Tunney, charles, marciano etc.

This is a good point , it makes me laugh when Clay fans think he could have beaten anyone or any era.

It makes me laugh too that after you yourself said Ali would beat Marciano, you then agreed with the Philosopher's statement which lists Marciano as one of the people who could beat Ali....

[TitoFan]

A followup question would be:

Why do people get so defensive, and take it as a slight to the great Marciano, when it is said that he would lose to Ali?

As was mentioned before, Ali outweighed Marciano by almost 40 pounds, had a 4-inch advantage in height, and far outreached Rocky. The physical differences alone are significant. Add to that the difference in speed, which Ali clearly had over Rocky... and it's not a reach to say Ali would beat him. Don't forget Ali had a pretty good chin, also.

It's not a knock on Marciano... it's just two different eras of boxing. By the same token, would Ali sweep through the Tysons, the Lewises, and the Klitschkos? Most likely not. Different eras... different sizes of heavyweights.

Picking Ali over Marciano is neither a slight on Marciano, nor an enshrinement of Ali.

[Althugz]

It is one of the most befuddling things to me to hear anybody say Marciano would beat Ali any more than 1/10 times.

Looking at all physical attributes and skill attributes, Ali wins in almost every department. Marciano had the power edge and that is about it..This would be countered by MAli's chin
(on the VERY rare occasion that Marciano would land)

[brocktonblockbust]

I couldnt stand ıt anymore and had to weıgh ın.

Ali would NOT be able to hıt Rocky AT ALL wıth that left hook/uppercut arm punch he loved to throw agaınst Frazıer for example. Nobody ever could hıt hım wıth a left hook. That was Ali's lead-off punch---STEPPİNG BACKWARDS he would snap that left uppercut/hook from underneath as hıs opponent was rushıng ın. Thıs would stop hıs opponent's ınward advance by knockıng hım slıghtly off balance. THEN Ali would throw the lead rıght OR another left uppercut. You can see hım doıng thıs almost every tıme to Frazıer and also to Quarry (ı.e hıs shorter opponents). Problem for Ali ıs that IT WOULDNT WORK LIKE THAT WITH MARCİANO. Ali had plenty of bad habits and tryıng thıs left hook wıth Rocky would result ın several broken ribs on Ali's left flank. Because Rocky could slip underneath that easily and throw a wallop to the body. Yes Rocky would gıve Alı fıts. That ıs the best way to describe it. Frazıer was an easy target--that predıctable bobbıng and weavıng and comıng straıght forward. Rocky never came dırectly forward---Charlıe Goldman fucked everybody over.

Marciano would stop Ali. Frazier destroyed Ali ın 71. Ali was never the same after that---neıther was Frazier. If Frazıer could do that imagıne what Rocky would do.

Didnt Joe Walcott drop Rocky with a left hook ?

yes good poınt mate. ıt was a rıppıng shot too. but ıt was the last one walcott landed for the next 13 rounds. Archıe Moore saıd after the fıght wıth Rocky that ıt was fuckıng ımpossıble to hıt hım wıth the left hook. I'll take hıs word for ıt mate

[brocktonblockbust]

philosopher, we did not even see a peak ali, he was exiled which meant his skills and speed deteriorated which allowed some great fights. Had ali been allowed to carry on there would be no frazier or foreman epics.

Ali would not have allowed the klits to even lean on him, he would circle the pair and out maneuvered them. Ali had the skill, speed, endurance and discipline to do it.

this is an excellent post-- i think ali would have beaten the k boys the same way holmes beat cooney---yes they would always be a threat like cooney landed some wicked shots but holmes was too refined, too clever. Ali would stop the k boys on exhaustion. Look how wlad collapsed in exhaustion after being pushed a bit by a chubby brewster a few rounds.

[brocktonblockbust]

A followup question would be:

Why do people get so defensive, and take it as a slight to the great Marciano, when it is said that he would lose to Ali?

As was mentioned before, Ali outweighed Marciano by almost 40 pounds, had a 4-inch advantage in height, and far outreached Rocky. The physical differences alone are significant. Add to that the difference in speed, which Ali clearly had over Rocky... and it's not a reach to say Ali would beat him. Don't forget Ali had a pretty good chin, also.

It's not a knock on Marciano... it's just two different eras of boxing. By the same token, would Ali sweep through the Tysons, the Lewises, and the Klitschkos? Most likely not. Different eras... different sizes of heavyweights.

Picking Ali over Marciano is neither a slight on Marciano, nor an enshrinement of Ali.

EXCELLENT POINTS. NO I DONT TAKE IT FOR EXAMPLE JUST ME MYSELF---I DONT TAKE IT AS A SLIGHT ON rOCKY WHEN CONSIDERING THAT aLI WOULD BEAT HIM ---NO WAY--ACTUALLY ı FEEL THEY ARE IN 2 DIFFERENT DIVISIONS ENTIRELY---40 POUNDS DIFF AS YOU SAY IS TRULY AN UNFAIR FIGHT. ALİ CXOULD VERY WELL HAVE BEATEN HIM. BUT I THINK THEY WERE TOUGHER IN ROCKY'S DAY. HE JUST COULDNT UNDERSTAND WHAT IT WAS TO LOSE. HE WOULD FIND A WAY. LIKE HE ALWAYS DID. YES HE IS BEHIND IN ALL CATEGORIES---BUT NOT CONDITIONING, NOT WILL TO WIN, NOT DETERMINATION, NOT TOUGHNESS, AND NOT POWER IN BOTH HANDS.

[Master]

A followup question would be:

Why do people get so defensive, and take it as a slight to the great Marciano, when it is said that he would lose to Ali?

As was mentioned before, Ali outweighed Marciano by almost 40 pounds, had a 4-inch advantage in height, and far outreached Rocky. The physical differences alone are significant. Add to that the difference in speed, which Ali clearly had over Rocky... and it's not a reach to say Ali would beat him. Don't forget Ali had a pretty good chin, also.

It's not a knock on Marciano... it's just two different eras of boxing. By the same token, would Ali sweep through the Tysons, the Lewises, and the Klitschkos? Most likely not. Different eras... different sizes of heavyweights.

Picking Ali over Marciano is neither a slight on Marciano, nor an enshrinement of Ali.

EXCELLENT POINTS. NO I DONT TAKE IT FOR EXAMPLE JUST ME MYSELF---I DONT TAKE IT AS A SLIGHT ON rOCKY WHEN CONSIDERING THAT aLI WOULD BEAT HIM ---NO WAY--ACTUALLY ı FEEL THEY ARE IN 2 DIFFERENT DIVISIONS ENTIRELY---40 POUNDS DIFF AS YOU SAY IS TRULY AN UNFAIR FIGHT. ALİ CXOULD VERY WELL HAVE BEATEN HIM. BUT I THINK THEY WERE TOUGHER IN ROCKY'S DAY. HE JUST COULDNT UNDERSTAND WHAT IT WAS TO LOSE. HE WOULD FIND A WAY. LIKE HE ALWAYS DID. YES HE IS BEHIND IN ALL CATEGORIES---BUT NOT CONDITIONING, NOT WILL TO WIN, NOT DETERMINATION, NOT TOUGHNESS, AND NOT POWER IN BOTH HANDS.

I'll give you power and I agree with your main point but Ali had the conditioning, determination, toughness in him too but above that he has the skill.

[brocktonblockbust]

A followup question would be:

Why do people get so defensive, and take it as a slight to the great Marciano, when it is said that he would lose to Ali?

As was mentioned before, Ali outweighed Marciano by almost 40 pounds, had a 4-inch advantage in height, and far outreached Rocky. The physical differences alone are significant. Add to that the difference in speed, which Ali clearly had over Rocky... and it's not a reach to say Ali would beat him. Don't forget Ali had a pretty good chin, also.

It's not a knock on Marciano... it's just two different eras of boxing. By the same token, would Ali sweep through the Tysons, the Lewises, and the Klitschkos? Most likely not. Different eras... different sizes of heavyweights.

Picking Ali over Marciano is neither a slight on Marciano, nor an enshrinement of Ali.

EXCELLENT POINTS. NO I DONT TAKE IT FOR EXAMPLE JUST ME MYSELF---I DONT TAKE IT AS A SLIGHT ON rOCKY WHEN CONSIDERING THAT aLI WOULD BEAT HIM ---NO WAY--ACTUALLY ı FEEL THEY ARE IN 2 DIFFERENT DIVISIONS ENTIRELY---40 POUNDS DIFF AS YOU SAY IS TRULY AN UNFAIR FIGHT. ALİ CXOULD VERY WELL HAVE BEATEN HIM. BUT I THINK THEY WERE TOUGHER IN ROCKY'S DAY. HE JUST COULDNT UNDERSTAND WHAT IT WAS TO LOSE. HE WOULD FIND A WAY. LIKE HE ALWAYS DID. YES HE IS BEHIND IN ALL CATEGORIES---BUT NOT CONDITIONING, NOT WILL TO WIN, NOT DETERMINATION, NOT TOUGHNESS, AND NOT POWER IN BOTH HANDS.

I'll give you power and I agree with your main point but Ali had the conditioning, determination, toughness in him too but above that he has the skill.

ı know Rocky would have the toughest fıght of hıs career agaınst Ali and may ındeed lose the fıght.
ı know Ali had the psychological advantage agaınst hıs ooponents too.
ı thınk Rocky was tougher than Frazıer however. and Joe beat Ali. and nearly beat hım agaın ın theır 3rd fıght.
therefore ı thınk Rocky may beat Ali. But Ali wouldve been the bıggest opponent the Rock ever had faced. At 6 ft 3 ınches and 215 pouds.
And 83 ınches reach agaıst Rocky's dısmal 67 ınches. Jesus thats 16 ınches reach advantage.
Pıcture Ali tryıng to punch downwards on Marciano.
I thınk thats an awkward punchıng posıtıon for Muhammad. Not natural for hım. Not hıs fıght.
I say even wıth thıs sıze advantage Ali only outpoınts Rocky 5 tımes out of 10.
Ali stops Rocky on cuts 1 or 2 tımes out of 10.
Marciano blows Ali away 3 or 4 tımes out of 10.
Joe Frazier was 1 of the toughest sons of bıtches I ever saw fıght.
But no way does Joe fıght on wıth a splıt nose lıke Rocky had. Rocky was tougher.