I miss Tyson

[Master]

Oh you crack me up Tyson would destroy Holyfeild what a joke i love how most things with Tyson is he could of. Say what you want about Holyfeild but he was older with health problems and still won fights.

He would have been 200lb at most and would have got crushed. Tyson was at his peak.

[Bobthepen]

Undefeated Tucker and Biggs over 6ft 5 +, Bruno, Williams, Bonecrusher Smith, Thomas whilst not great would have beaten today’s contenders with ease. Tyson and Jones destroyed with what was put in front of them, they did not struggle or lose rounds at their best.

Yeah, Williams was a monster during the five minutes he lasted against Weaver before he was stopped.

Tyson didn't lose rounds against tomato cans, because they rarely lasted one. There's a reason why his team kept him away from Holyfield.

Williams may have been stopped by Weaver but Williams gave Holmes a lot of trouble.

Tyson would have destroyed Holyfield had they fought when Tyson beat Williams, he was on a different level to most fighters in history.

He gave a faded, 36 year old Holmes problems.

Tyson was on a different level? As demonstrated by what? Knocking out faded greats and tomato cans? Didn't Douglas show the world he was overrated?

Holyfield fought at 212lbs in 1989, 3lbs lighter than when he knocked out Mike in 1996.

I'll save you the troble of posting the stock response:-

1. If Cus hadn't died
2. Tyson didn't train for Douglas
3. If Rooney was still training him.
4. Douglas had a long count

Pick one, or come up with a totally new theory on why Tyson was the greatest in spite of all the evidence to the contrary.

[Andre]

Douglas was very lucky it was the end of the round or Tyson would of finished him on rising. but he deserved the win 100% he took what he gave and more that was all heart and determination.

Much more deserving than Rahman with Lewis that was pure luck,but its always on the cards.

If you put the word explosive up on any boxing forum and ask whos name deserves to be put in front of it, there is only one real answer. He did this sport a great service attracting the public to it.

[Andre]

To say this guy would beat that guy because he beat him and didnt beat the other isnt always true. Its probably the hardest thing to pick.

Look at Vernon Forrest,he beat Mosley twice (with total control) and then loses to Ricardo Mayorga the next two fights! Theres a simular thing with Mayorgas intimidation and all out approach to Tysons and different styles have a better shot, but for some styles controlling strength and aggression it isnt as easy.

[Master]

Like it or not Tyson was wiping out opponents who could just about win rounds against him and people were counting significant punches landing on Tyson. Holmes did not give Tyson any problems he was destroyed, this Holmes have Holyfield hell and beat the undefeated Mercer. The point I am making is that Tyson destroyed his opponents with ease and did not struggle with them as certain champions have been. These fighters were good fighters too. Tyson’s peak was way too short and only he is to blame for that.

[Bobthepen]

Like it or not Tyson was wiping out opponents who could just about win rounds against him and people were counting significant punches landing on Tyson. Holmes did not give Tyson any problems he was destroyed, this Holmes have Holyfield hell and beat the undefeated Mercer. The point I am making is that Tyson destroyed his opponents with ease and did not struggle with them as certain champions have been. These fighters were good fighters too. Tyson’s peak was way too short and only he is to blame for that.

Tyson didn't destroy Tillis, and he struggled with Tucker until Tucker broke his hand in the fourth. Pinklon Thomas had a lot of success with the jab and caused Mike problems.

Tyson destroyed mediocrity.


Holmes had been retired for two years, and should have had a tune up or three prior to facing Tyson.

[Master]

Like it or not Tyson was wiping out opponents who could just about win rounds against him and people were counting significant punches landing on Tyson. Holmes did not give Tyson any problems he was destroyed, this Holmes have Holyfield hell and beat the undefeated Mercer. The point I am making is that Tyson destroyed his opponents with ease and did not struggle with them as certain champions have been. These fighters were good fighters too. Tyson’s peak was way too short and only he is to blame for that.

Tyson didn't destroy Tillis, and he struggled with Tucker until Tucker broke his hand in the fourth. Pinklon Thomas had a lot of success with the jab and caused Mike problems.

Tyson destroyed mediocrity.


Holmes had been retired for two years, and should have had a tune up or three prior to facing Tyson.

Tyson did not struggle with Tucker, Tony landed one meaningful shot in the first 30 seconds the upper cut, then he took a beating. Thomas was battered in the first round and then the 6th when he was knocked out. Tyson was a head all the time.

[Bobthepen]

Like it or not Tyson was wiping out opponents who could just about win rounds against him and people were counting significant punches landing on Tyson. Holmes did not give Tyson any problems he was destroyed, this Holmes have Holyfield hell and beat the undefeated Mercer. The point I am making is that Tyson destroyed his opponents with ease and did not struggle with them as certain champions have been. These fighters were good fighters too. Tyson’s peak was way too short and only he is to blame for that.

Tyson didn't destroy Tillis, and he struggled with Tucker until Tucker broke his hand in the fourth. Pinklon Thomas had a lot of success with the jab and caused Mike problems.

Tyson destroyed mediocrity.


Holmes had been retired for two years, and should have had a tune up or three prior to facing Tyson.

Tyson did not struggle with Tucker, Tony landed one meaningful shot in the first 30 seconds the upper cut, then he took a beating. Thomas was battered in the first round and then the 6th when he was knocked out. Tyson was a head all the time.

I, along with Larry Merchant, had Thomas winning rounds 3, 4 and 5. I gave Tucker a few of the early rounds, and I would certainly not say he was having it easy. Had Tucker not broken his right hand it might have been interesting, as he caught Mike repeatedly with that uppercut.

Neither Thomas nor Tucker are rated highly though, which is the point. Mike was good, but found his level when he stepped up ie knocked out.

[ross]

Undefeated Tucker and Biggs over 6ft 5 +, Bruno, Williams, Bonecrusher Smith, Thomas whilst not great would have beaten today’s contenders with ease. Tyson and Jones destroyed with what was put in front of them, they did not struggle or lose rounds at their best.

Yeah, Williams was a monster during the five minutes he lasted against Weaver before he was stopped.

Tyson didn't lose rounds against tomato cans, because they rarely lasted one. There's a reason why his team kept him away from Holyfield.

Williams may have been stopped by Weaver but Williams gave Holmes a lot of trouble.

Tyson would have destroyed Holyfield had they fought when Tyson beat Williams, he was on a different level to most fighters in history.

He gave a faded, 36 year old Holmes problems.

Tyson was on a different level? As demonstrated by what? Knocking out faded greats and tomato cans? Didn't Douglas show the world he was overrated?

Holyfield fought at 212lbs in 1989, 3lbs lighter than when he knocked out Mike in 1996.

I'll save you the troble of posting the stock response:-

1. If Cus hadn't died
2. Tyson didn't train for Douglas
3. If Rooney was still training him.
4. Douglas had a long count

Pick one, or come up with a totally new theory on why Tyson was the greatest in spite of all the evidence to the contrary.

He has never been fond to be buying steroids?

[ross]

Like it or not Tyson was wiping out opponents who could just about win rounds against him and people were counting significant punches landing on Tyson. Holmes did not give Tyson any problems he was destroyed, this Holmes have Holyfield hell and beat the undefeated Mercer. The point I am making is that Tyson destroyed his opponents with ease and did not struggle with them as certain champions have been. These fighters were good fighters too. Tyson’s peak was way too short and only he is to blame for that.

Tyson didn't destroy Tillis, and he struggled with Tucker until Tucker broke his hand in the fourth. Pinklon Thomas had a lot of success with the jab and caused Mike problems.

Tyson destroyed mediocrity.


Holmes had been retired for two years, and should have had a tune up or three prior to facing Tyson.

Tyson did not struggle with Tucker, Tony landed one meaningful shot in the first 30 seconds the upper cut, then he took a beating. Thomas was battered in the first round and then the 6th when he was knocked out. Tyson was a head all the time.

I, along with Larry Merchant, had Thomas winning rounds 3, 4 and 5. I gave Tucker a few of the early rounds, and I would certainly not say he was having it easy. Had Tucker not broken his right hand it might have been interesting, as he caught Mike repeatedly with that uppercut.

Neither Thomas nor Tucker are rated highly though, which is the point. Mike was good, but found his level when he stepped up ie knocked out.

Tucker wasn't rated highly?

He was a ripped 6.5" unbeaten title holder.....

[TysonBomb]

None of Tyson's opponents before Douglas ever put a dent into him. He dominated every single one of them, except maybe James Tillis who he fought when he was still green. He seemed to gas in the later rounds but still won by decision.

Tony Tucker put up a great fight but Tyson was even out jabbing him at points of the fight. He was more efficient and effective overall and won just about every round. Tucker did hurt his hand though and I don't doubt it would've been a closer fight i he was 100% healthy. But it was Tucker's decision to go on and fight when he knew that his hand wasn't still fully healed and there was a chance at damaging it again ... he was a belt holder so its not like Tyson wouldn't have waited. Tucker showed a lot of heart in that fight as well as great skill, endurance, durability and power. He was Tyson's best win.

These were the only two opponents Tyson had that were ever even competitive ... most of his victims had two choices ... to either be KOed spectacularly and earn a spot on Tyson's legendary KO highlight reel .... or to hold on and try and survive the entire fight.

[Bobthepen]

Like it or not Tyson was wiping out opponents who could just about win rounds against him and people were counting significant punches landing on Tyson. Holmes did not give Tyson any problems he was destroyed, this Holmes have Holyfield hell and beat the undefeated Mercer. The point I am making is that Tyson destroyed his opponents with ease and did not struggle with them as certain champions have been. These fighters were good fighters too. Tyson’s peak was way too short and only he is to blame for that.

Tyson didn't destroy Tillis, and he struggled with Tucker until Tucker broke his hand in the fourth. Pinklon Thomas had a lot of success with the jab and caused Mike problems.

Tyson destroyed mediocrity.


Holmes had been retired for two years, and should have had a tune up or three prior to facing Tyson.

Tyson did not struggle with Tucker, Tony landed one meaningful shot in the first 30 seconds the upper cut, then he took a beating. Thomas was battered in the first round and then the 6th when he was knocked out. Tyson was a head all the time.

I, along with Larry Merchant, had Thomas winning rounds 3, 4 and 5. I gave Tucker a few of the early rounds, and I would certainly not say he was having it easy. Had Tucker not broken his right hand it might have been interesting, as he caught Mike repeatedly with that uppercut.

Neither Thomas nor Tucker are rated highly though, which is the point. Mike was good, but found his level when he stepped up ie knocked out.

Tucker wasn't rated highly?

He was a ripped 6.5" unbeaten title holder.....

Who was outboxed by an out of shape Buster Douglas for nine rounds before he was able to turn it around in the tenth.

[Bobthepen]

These were the only two opponents Tyson had that were ever even competitive ... most of his victims had two choices ... to either be KOed spectacularly and earn a spot on Tyson's legendary KO highlight reel .... or to hold on and try and survive the entire fight.

Or knock him out like Douglas. Or Holyfield. Or Lewis. Or Williams. Or McBride.

[TysonBomb]

Like it or not Tyson was wiping out opponents who could just about win rounds against him and people were counting significant punches landing on Tyson. Holmes did not give Tyson any problems he was destroyed, this Holmes have Holyfield hell and beat the undefeated Mercer. The point I am making is that Tyson destroyed his opponents with ease and did not struggle with them as certain champions have been. These fighters were good fighters too. Tyson’s peak was way too short and only he is to blame for that.

Tyson didn't destroy Tillis, and he struggled with Tucker until Tucker broke his hand in the fourth. Pinklon Thomas had a lot of success with the jab and caused Mike problems.

Tyson destroyed mediocrity.


Holmes had been retired for two years, and should have had a tune up or three prior to facing Tyson.

Tyson did not struggle with Tucker, Tony landed one meaningful shot in the first 30 seconds the upper cut, then he took a beating. Thomas was battered in the first round and then the 6th when he was knocked out. Tyson was a head all the time.

I, along with Larry Merchant, had Thomas winning rounds 3, 4 and 5. I gave Tucker a few of the early rounds, and I would certainly not say he was having it easy. Had Tucker not broken his right hand it might have been interesting, as he caught Mike repeatedly with that uppercut.

Neither Thomas nor Tucker are rated highly though, which is the point. Mike was good, but found his level when he stepped up ie knocked out.

Tucker wasn't rated highly?

He was a ripped 6.5" unbeaten title holder.....

Who was outboxed by an out of shape Buster Douglas for nine rounds before he was able to turn it around in the tenth.

That was the best we saw of Douglas outside the Tyson fight. He also looked good against McCall as well.

At 228 lbs Douglas was actually in supreme shape for that fight and looked motivated. You would know that if you actually watched it.

Tucker was undefeated post Tyson until Lewis who he fought when he was past it. He would be the undisputed heavyweight champion of the world today. His career was mismanaged and he fell into drug usage.

[TysonBomb]

These were the only two opponents Tyson had that were ever even competitive ... most of his victims had two choices ... to either be KOed spectacularly and earn a spot on Tyson's legendary KO highlight reel .... or to hold on and try and survive the entire fight.

Or knock him out like Douglas. Or Holyfield. Or Lewis. Or Williams. Or McBride.

Please learn the circumstances surrounding those losses.

Holyfield and Lewis who are considered ATGs have also been KOed. Joe Louis, Jack Dempsey, George Foreman, Joe Frazier and other ATGs have all been KOed.