would you agree with the statement that

[AdamGB]

There's a good chance that he was innocent, if he was then it's a great misjustice... I don't know about it being one of the greatest tradgedies in world history mind you.

I thought it was worse than dropping the bomb on Japan

I am getting the impression that you are being sarcastic.

Dunno, he REALLY hates pactards and probably Japan via proxy

[IamInuit]

Agreed. That was one of the biggest shams ever. I think there was a certain amount of decline because of it but imo the much bigger decline started when the took boxing off network tv, The final nail imo was ppv.

Yeah boxing leaving NBC was crucial, but also Boxing leaving USA was a hit...USA had Tuesday Night Fights and they had some really good fighters come through there. All the big time names fought on USA early or late in their careers...that was a big thing.

UFC has gone the opposite direction basically staking out Spike, FX, Fuel, & Fox....brilliant, brilliant move by them & they'll prosper for it. Boxing can come back around, but it's swimming against the current at the moment.

Indeed I remember looking forward to Abc's Wild World of Sports. Practically every fight I watched on the networks for free back then would have been ppv today

I really do think boxings network visibility has been the highest its been in some years. ESPN, NBC returned, hbo and Showtime. FOX Deportes, Telemundo, FUEL shows lots of 'classics'. PPV today is garbage mainly based on a single name but for all his wrongs Kings SET put on some of the best cards of the early-mid 90's. Losing the free networks was a blow but seeing it return on a Saturday afternoon a few weeks ago gives us hope. Everyone in boxing loves a good comeback.

True enough. They are at least trying to make a little comeback but both HBO and Espn and Espncl are expensive and not even available in certain areas. I cant get Showtime, FUEL, Fox Deportes or Telemundo on my Satellite or Cable. Lucky for me there are streams. I think that's where the most access is and will continue to grow but even with that up here I have a bandwidth cap which I consistently go over. I guess I'm spoiled by the past in this regard. Lets just say I don't foresee watching the likes of Arguello/Pryor or a Sanchez/Gomez type card on regular tv anytime soon.

[hardcore_crash]

Fuel shows classics?

[bigstinkybug]

no...i think boxing was at a high when Tyson was unbeatable. at a low when Lennox and the klitsko's took over. Klitsko's r dominant, but not very entertaining... and with the heavyweights ..so goes boxing. for some reason, boxing is as big as the heavyweight div is..it's always been like that. forget we had Gatti, DLH, Maqrquez<morales<barrera<roy jones<cazaghi< Pac... if the heavies are't good, boxing loses power.
i hear a bunch of guys saying"poor Tyson, got sent away on a bogus charge"...hey.i like Tyson..but fuk him. remember, he'd KO the fuk out of u if u ever ran into him in the the streets, back then... for nothing. maybe Tyson got sent up on a bogus charge, but u can believe he did something in his life that he should've gone to prison for... it wouldn't surpise me one bit if there one or two people in wheelchairs becuz of something this guy did to them..or someone he ran with did... so don't lose sleep over it.

[El Kabong]

If only Wlad could fight someone as good as Bruce Seldon for a title

[Spicoli]

Fuel shows classics?

The occassional it looks like. De la Hoya v Quartey tomorrow morning.

[Spicoli]

Agreed. That was one of the biggest shams ever. I think there was a certain amount of decline because of it but imo the much bigger decline started when the took boxing off network tv, The final nail imo was ppv.

Yeah boxing leaving NBC was crucial, but also Boxing leaving USA was a hit...USA had Tuesday Night Fights and they had some really good fighters come through there. All the big time names fought on USA early or late in their careers...that was a big thing.

UFC has gone the opposite direction basically staking out Spike, FX, Fuel, & Fox....brilliant, brilliant move by them & they'll prosper for it. Boxing can come back around, but it's swimming against the current at the moment.

Indeed I remember looking forward to Abc's Wild World of Sports. Practically every fight I watched on the networks for free back then would have been ppv today

I really do think boxings network visibility has been the highest its been in some years. ESPN, NBC returned, hbo and Showtime. FOX Deportes, Telemundo, FUEL shows lots of 'classics'. PPV today is garbage mainly based on a single name but for all his wrongs Kings SET put on some of the best cards of the early-mid 90's. Losing the free networks was a blow but seeing it return on a Saturday afternoon a few weeks ago gives us hope. Everyone in boxing loves a good comeback.

True enough. They are at least trying to make a little comeback but both HBO and Espn and Espncl are expensive and not even available in certain areas. I cant get Showtime, FUEL, Fox Deportes or Telemundo on my Satellite or Cable. Lucky for me there are streams. I think that's where the most access is and will continue to grow but even with that up here I have a bandwidth cap which I consistently go over. I guess I'm spoiled by the past in this regard. Lets just say I don't foresee watching the likes of Arguello/Pryor or a Sanchez/Gomez type card on regular tv anytime soon.

I hear ya man. I didn't find or use downloads let alone youtube for fights until I found this place. Shit brother its gone the way of network news and I still remember Cronkite. We're relics The good thing with nearly all major ppv is that they will reair the main events on "pay" channel, but yeh it blows to fork out the money. Sucks you don't have Showtime? Good thing for streams indeed.

[TysonBomb]

If only Wlad could fight someone as good as Bruce Seldon for a title

Tyson scaring Seldon out of a title is better than anything Wlad has ever done in his career

[GOAT]

Fo real. Lennox Lewis basically fought a cleaned division.

[TysonBomb]

Fo real. Lennox Lewis basically fought a cleaned division.

Lewis fought Tyson's leftovers yet he has a better resume than him

[El Kabong]

If only Wlad could fight someone as good as Bruce Seldon for a title

Tyson scaring Seldon out of a title is better than anything Wlad has ever done in his career

When is Tyson fighting again? Oh that's right NEVER.

[TysonBomb]

If only Wlad could fight someone as good as Bruce Seldon for a title

Tyson scaring Seldon out of a title is better than anything Wlad has ever done in his career

When is Tyson fighting again? Oh that's right NEVER.

lol y u mad tho?

Tyson was more exciting than K2 ... it isn't even a contest ....

And Seldon was much better than any of Wlad's 2012 competition.

[El Kabong]

Mad? No I'm not mad, you're just a whiny cunt and I'm sick of reading the bellyaching about "Well back when Tyson was fighting_____" ...fuck off Wlad rules the division now, you mad

[Britkid]

If only Wlad could fight someone as good as Bruce Seldon for a title

Tyson scaring Seldon out of a title is better than anything Wlad has ever done in his career

When is Tyson fighting again? Oh that's right NEVER.

lol y u mad tho?



And Seldon was much better than any of Wlad's 2012 competition.

Not that he needs my help, but El Kabong has you by the short and curlys there.

Sure the brothers are now, (as Wlad used to be great fun), no where near as exciting as primed Tyson. But prime Tyson was over 23 years ago, and since then Tyson never could produce that magic again consistently.

And Seldon sucked; period. The triad of titlists at that time (Bruno, Botha and Seldon) were collectively, arguably as bad as Heavyweight boxing has ever known.

[TysonBomb]

Mad? No I'm not mad, you're just a whiny cunt and I'm sick of reading the bellyaching about "Well back when Tyson was fighting_____" ...fuck off Wlad rules the division now, you mad

yeah go ahead and wank off to wladiqueer fighting former cancer patients like Pianeta

wladiqueer killed heavyweight boxing with his scared jab jab grab BS