SHOWTIME Saturday. Mares vs Gonzalez

[p4pking]

That was awesome, wasn't able to see it last night. Tough call for Mares on what to do next, as it's hard to read a lot into this result. Gonzales is a bit like Linares, he's always been offensively sound and a great puncher, this stuff happens in boxing. I think Mares is a great talent, he just isn't a safety first guy with a lot of slickness, maybe he read to much into Gonzales previous outings as well and wasn't being careful. Gonzales could still do that to anyone assuming they enter the ring cold and expect to have an easy time. Depends how Mares takes that, he could go right for a rematch and hope to ride it out and turn the tables, or re build against someone less dangerous. Either way this is a big setback for him considering he could have fought anyone with a win.

[greynotsoold]

How did he get hit with that punch? I'm very curious to know what had happened earlier to make Mares react like he did. Somebody above said that Gonzalez faked a hook to the body...
But no he didn't. If that is what he was trying to convey, Mares didn't buy it. He didn't drop his elbow to block a hook to the body; his right glove went across in front of his face. And that makes no sense because Gonzalez makes very clear what he is trying to do. My thought is that maybe Mares was looking at the Gonzalez right hand, thinking of landing his own hook.
In that case he should have thrown his left from his own shoulder; instead he drops it to his waist and appears to be winding it up when he gets clocked by the hook himself.
And why did he stand there? Pick the right hand up and pivot to your left, throw your left hook. What happened before to make him do what he did?

[Fenster]

How did he get hit with that punch? I'm very curious to know what had happened earlier to make Mares react like he did. Somebody above said that Gonzalez faked a hook to the body...
But no he didn't. If that is what he was trying to convey, Mares didn't buy it. He didn't drop his elbow to block a hook to the body; his right glove went across in front of his face. And that makes no sense because Gonzalez makes very clear what he is trying to do. My thought is that maybe Mares was looking at the Gonzalez right hand, thinking of landing his own hook.
In that case he should have thrown his left from his own shoulder; instead he drops it to his waist and appears to be winding it up when he gets clocked by the hook himself.
And why did he stand there? Pick the right hand up and pivot to your left, throw your left hook. What happened before to make him do what he did?

That is very interesting from a technical point.

However, is it possible that decisions that are made through split second instinct determine the outcome of reality?

[Rantcatrat]

[QUOTE=greynotsoold;1181235]How did he get hit with that punch? I'm very curious to know what had happened earlier to make Mares react like he did. Somebody above said that Gonzalez faked a hook to the body...
But no he didn't. If that is what he was trying to convey, Mares didn't buy it. He didn't drop his elbow to block a hook to the body; his right glove went across in front of his face. And that makes no sense because Gonzalez makes very clear what he is trying to do. My thought is that maybe Mares was looking at the Gonzalez right hand, thinking of landing his own hook.
In that case he should have thrown his left from his own shoulder; instead he drops it to his waist and appears to be winding it up when he gets clocked by the hook himself.
And why did he stand there? Pick the right hand up and pivot to your left, throw your left hook. What happened before to make him do what he did?[/QUOTE=greynotsoold;1181235]

This is from a terrific boxing mailbag at boxing talk:

What the hell happened to Abner Mares? Was that a lucky punch ? Where does he go from here?
Bread’s Response: Mares was knocked out by a great shot. No way was that a lucky punch. Lots of Mexicans throw that punch. It looks like a power jab is about to be thrown and what happens is instinctively you put your hand in front of your face like Mares did to “catch” the jab. Instead in one motion a hook is turned over. Gonzales did it perfectly. The Marquez Bros and Ricard Lopez throw the same exact punch. Nacho Beristain is their trainer. Great punch not a lucky one.


Mares will be back probably in a rematch. Let’s see how it plays out.

[amat]

How did he get hit with that punch? I'm very curious to know what had happened earlier to make Mares react like he did. Somebody above said that Gonzalez faked a hook to the body...
But no he didn't. If that is what he was trying to convey, Mares didn't buy it. He didn't drop his elbow to block a hook to the body; his right glove went across in front of his face. And that makes no sense because Gonzalez makes very clear what he is trying to do. My thought is that maybe Mares was looking at the Gonzalez right hand, thinking of landing his own hook.
In that case he should have thrown his left from his own shoulder; instead he drops it to his waist and appears to be winding it up when he gets clocked by the hook himself.
And why did he stand there? Pick the right hand up and pivot to your left, throw your left hook. What happened before to make him do what he did?

I think this is exactly what happened, he was trying to catch and counter the right hand. I just got done trying to explain this to a buddy who doesn't know boxing. If you look at his eyes, I really think he was staring down the right and trying to load up (the wrong way) on a left hook and then spin out. It's the boxing equivalent of taking your eyes off the ball. He was more focused on the one shot and spinning out off the front foot to try to turn Gonzalez on the follow through. I hate that little spin he does off his front foot because it makes him susceptible to that very punch Jhonny threw and you see it a lot now especially with prolific American amateurs. It makes them lackadaisical with the right, it's just bad form but it looks pretty.

With that said, ESPN has a picture that might make me rethink that. The palm turn alone convinces me I'm right.

http://espn.go.com/boxing/story/_/id/9598359/jhonny-gonzalez-stops-abner-mares-first-reclaim-wbc-featherweight-belt

[Kirkland Laing]

It's a shame for Mares that he isn't British. The fight was waved off at 2.55 of round one, the ref was only halfway through the count and Mares was getting back up. If he'd been British and got up the ref would have prevented the fight from continuing till the bell went and then carried him back to his corner.

[walrus]

I was very saddened by this fight. I have always been a Mares fan. That was painful to watch. I don't know why Abner didn't grab and hold, I think that left hook made Abner forget everything.

[IamInuit]

How did he get hit with that punch? I'm very curious to know what had happened earlier to make Mares react like he did. Somebody above said that Gonzalez faked a hook to the body...
But no he didn't. If that is what he was trying to convey, Mares didn't buy it. He didn't drop his elbow to block a hook to the body; his right glove went across in front of his face. And that makes no sense because Gonzalez makes very clear what he is trying to do. My thought is that maybe Mares was looking at the Gonzalez right hand, thinking of landing his own hook.
In that case he should have thrown his left from his own shoulder; instead he drops it to his waist and appears to be winding it up when he gets clocked by the hook himself.
And why did he stand there? Pick the right hand up and pivot to your left, throw your left hook. What happened before to make him do what he did?

It clearly looks like he is about to underneath at the start and that might have been enough for Mares to drop his guard.

[Nameless]

Well, it could well be the upset of the year and the resurrection of Gonzalez for another big payday. Didn't expect that to happen at all. Now let's see how Mares recovers from that lost and react in his next fight.

[Tam Seddon]

Apparently Russell could be next for Gonzalez. But I doubt that will happen, he needs a big fight against Donaire or Rigondeaux.