Perspective

[El Kabong]

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Hahahaha like it

[Kirkland Laing]

Perspective. Can we have some perspective please? There seems to be a general mood of cynicism sweeping the board in which balanced and nuanced points of view are being dismissed as paranoia or brain disease by those who have assumed an outlook where alternative arguments are simply dismissed as trolling or stupidity. This is a forum and outside of the boxing threads, amongst the non boxing and hidden boards we have recently seen an explosion of opinion threads in which the opining of the thread starter is just a barrage of rhetoric or worse second hand information written down as though it were unassailable fact or delivered as a didactic lecture laying out one world view as some kind of template to conform to.

This is an on-line discussion forum in which we are all adults with a disparate geographical location and an even greater spread of life experience, intelligence and common sense, united by a love of boxing and/or mixed martial arts. We should be able to disagree without assuming that other posters grasp of philosophical,moral,spiritual or political issues is somehow inferior to ours because they draw different conclusions. I know that I myself am often guilty of this and it is in some ways a credit to the range of subjects discussed and the passion with which arguments are laid out that threads can draw such reactions from many of us. Still, there is a point at which opinion becomes a battering stick with which to silence any discordant voices and then the arguments can get boring for everybody else.

Those on the right are not all power obsessed, virtue less individuals trying to grab everything for themselves just as those on the left are not all two faced, limp wishy washy victims. The same is true of every subject so surely we are capable of inferring a more nuanced understanding of posters responses even when they seem to be diametrically opposed to our own.

We all have our own lives away from the forum and the reality of those as well as little things like facial expressions and tone of voice are often lost in translation. On top of that cultural differences and things like dry, wry and dark humour are often misinterpreted as meanness and spite so maybe we should take a deep breath at times and remember that the person on the other side of the screen maybe less retarded and more intelligent than ourselves before we attribute attitudes and character flaws that may be in our own heads.

That said I do like a good war and a few of you really are a bunch of cunts

If you think some people have a completely unbalanced point of view maybe you could try debating them and showing them where they're wrong.

What do you mean rather than repeatedly posting a lazy purile image like a shipping container?

Every time I post an actual reply to you you run away so I'm trying other stuff to get a response from you.

[Kirkland Laing]

Id have though you'd preffered a pie chart

He doesn't understand them. There's only one pie chart Lyle is capable of understanding and it has no relevance in this situation:

[El Kabong]

Id have though you'd preffered a pie chart

He doesn't understand them. There's only one pie chart Lyle is capable of understanding and it has no relevance in this situation:

There's one for you candy ass

[Beanz]

Perspective. Can we have some perspective please? There seems to be a general mood of cynicism sweeping the board in which balanced and nuanced points of view are being dismissed as paranoia or brain disease by those who have assumed an outlook where alternative arguments are simply dismissed as trolling or stupidity. This is a forum and outside of the boxing threads, amongst the non boxing and hidden boards we have recently seen an explosion of opinion threads in which the opining of the thread starter is just a barrage of rhetoric or worse second hand information written down as though it were unassailable fact or delivered as a didactic lecture laying out one world view as some kind of template to conform to.

This is an on-line discussion forum in which we are all adults with a disparate geographical location and an even greater spread of life experience, intelligence and common sense, united by a love of boxing and/or mixed martial arts. We should be able to disagree without assuming that other posters grasp of philosophical,moral,spiritual or political issues is somehow inferior to ours because they draw different conclusions. I know that I myself am often guilty of this and it is in some ways a credit to the range of subjects discussed and the passion with which arguments are laid out that threads can draw such reactions from many of us. Still, there is a point at which opinion becomes a battering stick with which to silence any discordant voices and then the arguments can get boring for everybody else.

Those on the right are not all power obsessed, virtue less individuals trying to grab everything for themselves just as those on the left are not all two faced, limp wishy washy victims. The same is true of every subject so surely we are capable of inferring a more nuanced understanding of posters responses even when they seem to be diametrically opposed to our own.

We all have our own lives away from the forum and the reality of those as well as little things like facial expressions and tone of voice are often lost in translation. On top of that cultural differences and things like dry, wry and dark humour are often misinterpreted as meanness and spite so maybe we should take a deep breath at times and remember that the person on the other side of the screen maybe less retarded and more intelligent than ourselves before we attribute attitudes and character flaws that may be in our own heads.

That said I do like a good war and a few of you really are a bunch of cunts

If you think some people have a completely unbalanced point of view maybe you could try debating them and showing them where they're wrong.

What do you mean rather than repeatedly posting a lazy purile image like a shipping container?

Every time I post an actual reply to you you run away so I'm trying other stuff to get a response from you.

I never, ever, run away from anybody, quite the opposite. You are quite deluded if you think yourself so formidable.

[Kirkland Laing]

Perspective. Can we have some perspective please? There seems to be a general mood of cynicism sweeping the board in which balanced and nuanced points of view are being dismissed as paranoia or brain disease by those who have assumed an outlook where alternative arguments are simply dismissed as trolling or stupidity. This is a forum and outside of the boxing threads, amongst the non boxing and hidden boards we have recently seen an explosion of opinion threads in which the opining of the thread starter is just a barrage of rhetoric or worse second hand information written down as though it were unassailable fact or delivered as a didactic lecture laying out one world view as some kind of template to conform to.

This is an on-line discussion forum in which we are all adults with a disparate geographical location and an even greater spread of life experience, intelligence and common sense, united by a love of boxing and/or mixed martial arts. We should be able to disagree without assuming that other posters grasp of philosophical,moral,spiritual or political issues is somehow inferior to ours because they draw different conclusions. I know that I myself am often guilty of this and it is in some ways a credit to the range of subjects discussed and the passion with which arguments are laid out that threads can draw such reactions from many of us. Still, there is a point at which opinion becomes a battering stick with which to silence any discordant voices and then the arguments can get boring for everybody else.

Those on the right are not all power obsessed, virtue less individuals trying to grab everything for themselves just as those on the left are not all two faced, limp wishy washy victims. The same is true of every subject so surely we are capable of inferring a more nuanced understanding of posters responses even when they seem to be diametrically opposed to our own.

We all have our own lives away from the forum and the reality of those as well as little things like facial expressions and tone of voice are often lost in translation. On top of that cultural differences and things like dry, wry and dark humour are often misinterpreted as meanness and spite so maybe we should take a deep breath at times and remember that the person on the other side of the screen maybe less retarded and more intelligent than ourselves before we attribute attitudes and character flaws that may be in our own heads.

That said I do like a good war and a few of you really are a bunch of cunts

If you think some people have a completely unbalanced point of view maybe you could try debating them and showing them where they're wrong.

What do you mean rather than repeatedly posting a lazy purile image like a shipping container?

Every time I post an actual reply to you you run away so I'm trying other stuff to get a response from you.

I never, ever, run away from anybody, quite the opposite. You are quite deluded if you think yourself so formidable.

The most recent example:

http://www.saddoboxing.com/boxingfor...ml#post1221048

[Beanz]

Kirkland what is your point? What am I not supposed to have responded too? Your flippant and repellant misogynistic stupidity? If you think making outrageous statements scapegoating a generic group like "single mothers" deserves a response then maybe you should be clear about why you have left out absent selfish irresponsible fathers from your equation. That is the whole point of this thread perspective and assumption. You have to ignorantly assume that I am so stupid and pc to be defending those who have no intention of working to reach such a conclusion.

[Kirkland Laing]

Kirkland what is your point? What am I not supposed to have responded too? Your flippant and repellant misogynistic stupidity? If you think making outrageous statements scapegoating a generic group like "single mothers" deserves a response then maybe you should be clear about why you have left out absent selfish irresponsible fathers from your equation. That is the whole point of this thread perspective and assumption. You have to ignorantly assume that I am so stupid and pc to be defending those who have no intention of working to reach such a conclusion.

Why is not being OK with people living off the state such a bad/extreme thing?

[Beanz]

Don't try and turn it around Kirkland. Threatening to eviscerate women which you did is extreme, suggesting you were grandstanding by doing so is not. Appealing to peoples base instincts for revenge is pretty low as is your suggestion that I have anywhere, in any thread said it's ok for people to decide to not work and live off the state. Assumptions.

[Kirkland Laing]

Don't try and turn it around Kirkland. Threatening to eviscerate women which you did is extreme, suggesting you were grandstanding by doing so is not. Appealing to peoples base instincts for revenge is pretty low as is your suggestion that I have anywhere, in any thread said it's ok for people to decide to not work and live off the state. Assumptions.

I'm not being serious about cutting women open to stop them breeding. Just a simple injection is all that's needed.


So you agree with me that people shouldn't be allowed just to permanently live off the state?

[Master]

Don't try and turn it around Kirkland. Threatening to eviscerate women which you did is extreme, suggesting you were grandstanding by doing so is not. Appealing to peoples base instincts for revenge is pretty low as is your suggestion that I have anywhere, in any thread said it's ok for people to decide to not work and live off the state. Assumptions.

I'm not being serious about cutting women open to stop them breeding. Just a simple injection is all that's needed.


So you agree with me that people shouldn't be allowed just to permanently live off the state?

Depends if they have no other choice such as disability or mental illness.

So you agree people should pair their fair share of tax?

[El Kabong]

So you agree people should pair their fair share of tax?

Define "fair"

[Kirkland Laing]

Don't try and turn it around Kirkland. Threatening to eviscerate women which you did is extreme, suggesting you were grandstanding by doing so is not. Appealing to peoples base instincts for revenge is pretty low as is your suggestion that I have anywhere, in any thread said it's ok for people to decide to not work and live off the state. Assumptions.

I'm not being serious about cutting women open to stop them breeding. Just a simple injection is all that's needed.


So you agree with me that people shouldn't be allowed just to permanently live off the state?

Depends if they have no other choice such as disability or mental illness.

So you agree people should pair their fair share of tax?

Obviously if they're disabled or mentally ill then they should be looked after. I'm talking about the hundreds of thousands of people who have nothing wrong with them but choose to live off the state.

Yes. You might have noticed that I've been making that point for seven or so years now.

[El Kabong]

I'm talking about the hundreds of thousands of people who have nothing wrong with them but choose to live off the state.

There's no such thing as a "Welfare Queen" Kirkland......or didn't your little lefty friends teach you that? It's all made up, a rightwing hoax to make people in need look bad.