Just another one of Wacko's Drunken Round by Rounds Mora vs Regan

[TyBuff]

I've gotten to the point where I don 't really like or dislike Mora. He's a solid fighter but not elite. And he loves the fact that all these people hate him, because they're paying attention. Look at how much attention a guy who's what 19-0 versus pretty limited opposition is getting, the act works.

Ishe Smith and Peter Manfredo are limited opposition

5 round fights, except for the Manfredo rematch.

Ishe's pretty good but I don't pay too much attention too five round fights, and we have no idea what really happened in those fights except for the Manfredo rematch where he didn't exactly look like a world beater. Other than those two there's nobody worth speaking of. Can you honestly say that the amount of attention he gets corresponds to what he's actually done?

I don't know. There are fighters and prospects that have done less and get more credence. Such as the 2004 Olympians

Have any other prospect with 16 fights fought for a million dollars yet?

I have no idea, maybe David Reid against Trinidad.

There are large amount of elite fighters who don't get talked about nearly as much as Mora, but I'm not really holding that against him. If I had the chance to fight for a million dollars I would too, I don't like the contender but its mainly just cause they don't really show fights. All I was saying is I doubt that he even cares if a lot of people hate him, cause that means that people are paying attention. And I'm not undecided about whether what he's done corresponds to the amount of attention he gets, IMO it clearly doesn't. I'm really not even arguing any kind of point about him, except that he gets more attention than he deserves but that's not really a reason to hate him, he's a reasonably entertaining fighter, I just don't think he's elite.

You have very strong points. But mine is that fighters today are doing less then Mora and getting more exposure then he has.

Point is, Mora has never fought on HBO or Showtime has he?

Good points from both of you. I think we all forget the fact that Mora has only 19 pro fights. He has soooooo much exposure during and after the Contender that it seems like the guy has been around forever. He still has time to improve. It wasnt solely his boxing that got him all of this exposure, it was a TV show. Like anybody else he is trying to make as much out of this opportunity that he can. With that said I still dont like him.

[OumaFan]

I've gotten to the point where I don 't really like or dislike Mora. He's a solid fighter but not elite. And he loves the fact that all these people hate him, because they're paying attention. Look at how much attention a guy who's what 19-0 versus pretty limited opposition is getting, the act works.

Ishe Smith and Peter Manfredo are limited opposition

5 round fights, except for the Manfredo rematch.

Ishe's pretty good but I don't pay too much attention too five round fights, and we have no idea what really happened in those fights except for the Manfredo rematch where he didn't exactly look like a world beater. Other than those two there's nobody worth speaking of. Can you honestly say that the amount of attention he gets corresponds to what he's actually done?

I don't know. There are fighters and prospects that have done less and get more credence. Such as the 2004 Olympians

Have any other prospect with 16 fights fought for a million dollars yet?

I have no idea, maybe David Reid against Trinidad.

There are large amount of elite fighters who don't get talked about nearly as much as Mora, but I'm not really holding that against him. If I had the chance to fight for a million dollars I would too, I don't like the contender but its mainly just cause they don't really show fights. All I was saying is I doubt that he even cares if a lot of people hate him, cause that means that people are paying attention. And I'm not undecided about whether what he's done corresponds to the amount of attention he gets, IMO it clearly doesn't. I'm really not even arguing any kind of point about him, except that he gets more attention than he deserves but that's not really a reason to hate him, he's a reasonably entertaining fighter, I just don't think he's elite.

You have very strong points. But mine is that fighters today are doing less then Mora and getting more exposure then he has.

Point is, Mora has never fought on HBO or Showtime has he?

No he hasn't but he has gotten a lot of exposure on ESPN

Hey he worked it right and won it, I think Ishe Smith is a bit of a more naturally talented P4P fighter than Mora, I know he lost but we didn't really get to see it and Ishe's a naturally smaller guy, but Ishe fell off the face of the earth after the Contender. He's just now getting back into the mix.

I think one guy who you could make a case got onto HBO too easily was Paul Williams, he fought practically nobody before the Matthysse fight on BAD, Terrence Cauthen is about it. Taylor's the posterboy for it, he got a HBO date in like his 16th fight against a nobody without fighting anybody before that. Whether he's won or not in his last three fights, he hasn't embarrassed himself and he's proved he belongs, but still early in his career he was the definition of being overhyped.

But I can think of a lot of guys, some even champions, guys like Guzman, Vazquez, Collazo, Rivera, Bell, Guillermo Jones, that aren't talked about as much as Mora. Is a guy like even Glen Johnson talked about as much as Mora? And that's not including European or Asian fighters. What if he wins a championship? It would actually probably be good for boxing, cause he'd get a ton of attention from people whether they loved him or hated him.

[Majesty]

I've gotten to the point where I don 't really like or dislike Mora. He's a solid fighter but not elite. And he loves the fact that all these people hate him, because they're paying attention. Look at how much attention a guy who's what 19-0 versus pretty limited opposition is getting, the act works.

Ishe Smith and Peter Manfredo are limited opposition

5 round fights, except for the Manfredo rematch.

Ishe's pretty good but I don't pay too much attention too five round fights, and we have no idea what really happened in those fights except for the Manfredo rematch where he didn't exactly look like a world beater. Other than those two there's nobody worth speaking of. Can you honestly say that the amount of attention he gets corresponds to what he's actually done?

I don't know. There are fighters and prospects that have done less and get more credence. Such as the 2004 Olympians

Have any other prospect with 16 fights fought for a million dollars yet?

I have no idea, maybe David Reid against Trinidad.

There are large amount of elite fighters who don't get talked about nearly as much as Mora, but I'm not really holding that against him. If I had the chance to fight for a million dollars I would too, I don't like the contender but its mainly just cause they don't really show fights. All I was saying is I doubt that he even cares if a lot of people hate him, cause that means that people are paying attention. And I'm not undecided about whether what he's done corresponds to the amount of attention he gets, IMO it clearly doesn't. I'm really not even arguing any kind of point about him, except that he gets more attention than he deserves but that's not really a reason to hate him, he's a reasonably entertaining fighter, I just don't think he's elite.

You have very strong points. But mine is that fighters today are doing less then Mora and getting more exposure then he has.

Point is, Mora has never fought on HBO or Showtime has he?

No he hasn't but he has gotten a lot of exposure on ESPN

Hey he worked it right and won it, I think Ishe Smith is a bit of a more naturally talented P4P fighter than Mora, I know he lost but we didn't really get to see it and Ishe's a naturally smaller guy, but Ishe fell off the face of the earth after the Contender. He's just now getting back into the mix.

I think one guy who you could make a case got onto HBO too easily was Paul Williams, he fought practically nobody before the Matthysse fight on BAD, Terrence Cauthen is about it. Taylor's the posterboy for it, he got a HBO date in like his 16th fight against a nobody without fighting anybody before that. Whether he's won or not in his last three fights, he hasn't embarrassed himself and he's proved he belongs, but still early in his career he was the definition of being overhyped.

But I can think of a lot of guys, some even champions, guys like Guzman, Vazquez, Collazo, Rivera, Bell, Guillermo Jones, that aren't talked about as much as Mora. Is a guy like even Glen Johnson talked about as much as Mora? And that's not including European or Asian fighters. What if he wins a championship? It would actually probably be good for boxing, cause he'd get a ton of attention from people whether they loved him or hated him.

Williams had started on ESPN and then fought on Showtime a few times before getting to HBO.

Andre Ward had his first pro fight on HBOPPV

Guzman has been on HBOPPV, HBO Latino, and was the star of SHOBOX when he would fight

Vazquez I agree on.

Collazo has fought on Showtime hasn't he? Was that the one he lost?

And has fought on PPV and HBO.

Rivera, Jose Antonio? Has fought on Showtime before.

Bell got exposure on Showtime, ESPN and FSN

Guillermo Jones got his spots on Showtime. And I think his career is done because of high blood pressure.

All of them have gotten their shots and Mora hasn't even scratched the surface of what they have done.

They were talked about back then and some still talked about now, and right now is Mora's time so it's ok for him to be talked about a lot, he's up and coming and these fighters already had more spots then Mora.

[OumaFan]

I've gotten to the point where I don 't really like or dislike Mora. He's a solid fighter but not elite. And he loves the fact that all these people hate him, because they're paying attention. Look at how much attention a guy who's what 19-0 versus pretty limited opposition is getting, the act works.

Ishe Smith and Peter Manfredo are limited opposition

5 round fights, except for the Manfredo rematch.

Ishe's pretty good but I don't pay too much attention too five round fights, and we have no idea what really happened in those fights except for the Manfredo rematch where he didn't exactly look like a world beater. Other than those two there's nobody worth speaking of. Can you honestly say that the amount of attention he gets corresponds to what he's actually done?

I don't know. There are fighters and prospects that have done less and get more credence. Such as the 2004 Olympians

Have any other prospect with 16 fights fought for a million dollars yet?

I have no idea, maybe David Reid against Trinidad.

There are large amount of elite fighters who don't get talked about nearly as much as Mora, but I'm not really holding that against him. If I had the chance to fight for a million dollars I would too, I don't like the contender but its mainly just cause they don't really show fights. All I was saying is I doubt that he even cares if a lot of people hate him, cause that means that people are paying attention. And I'm not undecided about whether what he's done corresponds to the amount of attention he gets, IMO it clearly doesn't. I'm really not even arguing any kind of point about him, except that he gets more attention than he deserves but that's not really a reason to hate him, he's a reasonably entertaining fighter, I just don't think he's elite.

You have very strong points. But mine is that fighters today are doing less then Mora and getting more exposure then he has.

Point is, Mora has never fought on HBO or Showtime has he?

No he hasn't but he has gotten a lot of exposure on ESPN

Hey he worked it right and won it, I think Ishe Smith is a bit of a more naturally talented P4P fighter than Mora, I know he lost but we didn't really get to see it and Ishe's a naturally smaller guy, but Ishe fell off the face of the earth after the Contender. He's just now getting back into the mix.

I think one guy who you could make a case got onto HBO too easily was Paul Williams, he fought practically nobody before the Matthysse fight on BAD, Terrence Cauthen is about it. Taylor's the posterboy for it, he got a HBO date in like his 16th fight against a nobody without fighting anybody before that. Whether he's won or not in his last three fights, he hasn't embarrassed himself and he's proved he belongs, but still early in his career he was the definition of being overhyped.

But I can think of a lot of guys, some even champions, guys like Guzman, Vazquez, Collazo, Rivera, Bell, Guillermo Jones, that aren't talked about as much as Mora. Is a guy like even Glen Johnson talked about as much as Mora? And that's not including European or Asian fighters. What if he wins a championship? It would actually probably be good for boxing, cause he'd get a ton of attention from people whether they loved him or hated him.

Williams had started on ESPN and then fought on Showtime a few times before getting to HBO.

Andre Ward had his first pro fight on HBOPPV

Guzman has been on HBOPPV, HBO Latino, and was the star of SHOBOX when he would fight

Vazquez I agree on.

Collazo has fought on Showtime hasn't he? Was that the one he lost?

And has fought on PPV and HBO.

Rivera, Jose Antonio? Has fought on Showtime before.

Bell got exposure on Showtime, ESPN and FSN

Guillermo Jones got his spots on Showtime. And I think his career is done because of high blood pressure.

All of them have gotten their shots and Mora hasn't even scratched the surface of what they have done.

They were talked about back then and some still talked about now, and right now is Mora's time so it's ok for him to be talked about a lot, he's up and coming and these fighters already had more spots then Mora.

But I didn't say more exposed , what I said was that those fighters "aren't talked about as much as Mora."

But even if you want to argue exposure, you could easily say that being on the contender, and because of that drawing big ratings on his ESPN fights, gives Mora much more exposure than, for example, Guzman fighting on HBO Latino or the undercard of some PPV that only big time boxing fans order, or Rivera fighting Garcia on Showtime which is the kind of fight that only hardcore fans watch.

Andre Ward's situation is not what I'm talking about, he obviously has been hyped up from the beginning because of the gold medal. I'll agree on Collazo, his fight with Hatton gave him a lot of exposure, although he's still not talked about as much as Mora.

[1st rd ko]

He did win. But no way did he "dominate". Maybe my defenition of dominate is from a different dictionary.

Yep...I would say that you defenition would have to be different...especially after making comments like these:

Mora looks tired and getting whooped, so far.(and hitting behind the head)

He wasn't tired...nor was he getting whooped.

Nope. Id say its about even now.

After the first two rounds...the fight was never even remotely close to even.

To ME mora did look tired and looked like he was getting whooped(at that point).
To ME it did look about even(around rd 5-6).
And to ME "dominate" means something like "blood, knock downs,etc..."
So I just didnt see it same as you. No big deal.

[Wacko3205]

Time to wash off the sticky as another weekend passes & it's on to the next one!

Enjoy your up coming week back in the real world...shit's gonna get wacky next Saturday as the DRBR will be in full effect for Toney vs Peter.

Should be fun.

[El Kabong]

Yes I aspire to beat up bums via UD....Sergio Mora might SEEM to have the TV persona but all I see is a guy who will be found wanting when he fights anyone with what we like to call SKILL

And you like Duddy?

HAR HAR...at least Duddy KO's the guys who shouldn't be in the ring with him

[sexydarin]

I liked Mora's boxing ability, on the contender series. I have only seen one of his pro fights. I forget which one though. He shows off too much and it will someday cost him.